Stevo985 Posted January 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Its okay, I'd just ask him about sponsorship deals and watch the snake oil salesman start to sweat as he involuntarily tells the room about what a monumental cock up he made appointing Sherwood. He said he cocked up appointing Sherwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Seen the fans on San all saying they waved the white flag and these clowns have given up. Fantastic so much positivity coming out the club at the moment pathetic. I'm not spending a penny on the club until they start investing in the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2016 I'm sure if we got to the Summer, got relegated, and the club said "well we weren't giving up so we didn't plan for relegation" everybody would be super happy about that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 What a lol of crock that is.. Always passing the buck at avfc.. Also 3rd highest spender in ten years? I'd be very surprised if that's accurate...Off the top of my head, Liverpool, utd and city have easily spunkef £300m in the last 5 yrs. Then throw in the likes of Chelsea and Spurs (who spent the entire £90m from bale in one summer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Unbelievable. They really do think the fans are mugs. I can't see us being in the mix for promotion next season with these words removed running the show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thabucks Posted January 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2016 Club don't say anything, get criticised. Club has fans meeting, gets criticised. Fans want honesty, club give them honesty but get criticised. Fans don't hear what they want. Club get criticised. Club lies to fans, gets criticised. Club try to tell truth, gets criticised. Fox admits mistakes have been made. Gets criticised. Fans want Lerner far away from decisions. New guy gets criticised. Club up for sale...... See where I'm going? Club deserves a certain level of criticism for sure. Mistakes have been made in abundance. But plans to put things right which should of been implemented sooner. You guessed it get criticised.... Jeez I'm taking a break from here. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 21, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 21, 2016 27 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He said he cocked up appointing Sherwood. Did he? When was that, do you have a link? If that is the case then perhaps he is part of the problem with the structure and the decisions made in the summer, is he going to loose his job? No of course he won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP1982 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, thabucks said: Club don't say anything, get criticised. Club has fans meeting, gets criticised. Fans want honesty, club give them honesty but get criticised. Fans don't hear what they want. Club get criticised. Club lies to fans, gets criticised. Club try to tell truth, gets criticised. Fox admits mistakes have been made. Gets criticised. Fans want Lerner far away from decisions. New guy gets criticised. Club up for sale...... See where I'm going? Club deserves a certain level of criticism for sure. Mistakes have been made in abundance. But plans to put things right which should of been implemented sooner. You guessed it get criticised.... Jeez I'm taking a break from here. The problem being there appears little effort to put things right on the pitch. I accept that off field, on field do not operate in isolation of each other but we're a football club for god sake. Its great that we're increasing revenue, 'customer' experience, etc... What I care about is what happens on the pitch and they just seem to have given up on that, for the remainder of this season at least. Krulak is a clown but at least he suggested some passion and fight! Edited January 21, 2016 by JP1982 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Club don't say anything, get criticised. Club has fans meeting, gets criticised. Fans want honesty, club give them honesty but get criticised. Fans don't hear what they want. Club get criticised. Club lies to fans, gets criticised. Club try to tell truth, gets criticised. Fox admits mistakes have been made. Gets criticised. Fans want Lerner far away from decisions. New guy gets criticised. Club up for sale...... See where I'm going? Club deserves a certain level of criticism for sure. Mistakes have been made in abundance. But plans to put things right which should of been implemented sooner. You guessed it get criticised.... Jeez I'm taking a break from here. Thing is football at its core is very simple, if you're good on the pitch then fans really won't care about your hot dog sponsor deals, however if like us you're shit on the pitch there's nothing you will be able to do to win off it After the last couple of years people have rightly asked questions, however with relegation people don't even care about questions, every man and his dog is a word removed, there is one and only one right answer - don't get **** relegated, everything else is irrelevant at the moment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 did he really say we were the 3rd highest spender over 10 years? that is surely just a bare faced lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: What a lol of crock that is.. Always passing the buck at avfc.. Also 3rd highest spender in ten years? I'd be very surprised if that's accurate...Off the top of my head, Liverpool, utd and city have easily spunkef £300m in the last 5 yrs. Then throw in the likes of Chelsea and Spurs (who spent the entire £90m from bale in one summer). If you bother to read the quote he says we are top six " owners PUTTING money in" Spurs, Citeh, plop, man Utd, Le Arse all generate their expenditure. We don't. Simples. Quote Hollis pointed out that the club were "in the top six where the owner has put the most money in", in a league including Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham. "Randy has actually put more than £200m in player signings, new money, coming into this over the last 10 years," added Hollis. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35378292 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: What a lol of crock that is.. Always passing the buck at avfc.. Also 3rd highest spender in ten years? I'd be very surprised if that's accurate...Off the top of my head, Liverpool, utd and city have easily spunkef £300m in the last 5 yrs. Then throw in the likes of Chelsea and Spurs (who spent the entire £90m from bale in one summer). I can't be certain but I'd hazard a guess that the spending comment will be something like gross investment from the owner spending, basically saying that because we don't make the kind of money the big 4 do, for example, Randy over 10 years had made a greater investment directly than most of them. It's a spin but not inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 1 minute ago, thabucks said: If you bother to read the quote he says we are top six " owners PUTTING money in" Spurs, Citeh, plop, man Utd, Le Arse all generate their expenditure. We don't. Simples. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35378292 And whose fault is it that the club isn't generating expenditure? I'd still argue that other chairman are still putting in more money...we've been told repeatedly the last few years that every commercial deal we've signed us the biggest one yet..yet still Lerner is putting in more of his own money? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JP1982 Posted January 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2016 Great... All the headlines after tonight refer to us a 'club in crisis'. When so much has been mooted about the teams fragile confidence and during a time when we're struggling to attract players looks like last night was a real success. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, thabucks said: If you bother to read the quote he says we are top six " owners PUTTING money in" Spurs, Citeh, plop, man Utd, Le Arse all generate their expenditure. We don't. Simples. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35378292 I already hate this Hollis fella. Every time he talks I cringe. How much of that 200 million did we recoup by selling our best platters year after year after year. Letting good players go on a free or cheaply. That's Randy fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 21, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 21, 2016 Just now, mikeyp102 said: And whose fault is it that the club isn't generating expenditure? I'd still argue that other chairman are still putting in more money...we've been told repeatedly the last few years that every commercial deal we've signed us the biggest one yet..yet still Lerner is putting in more of his own money? Tom Fox appears to have made generating bigger commercial income a priority, not a surprise given his background. As for the deals being the biggest ever over the years, assuming that's entirely true, the difference between a big deal for us and a big deal for say Spurs is astonishing. And more so for the real big boys. Manchester United's current shirt deal compared to ours with Macron is terrifying, and the Macron deal is the biggest we've ever had IIRC. Now repeat for every deal the club can do. And bear in mind there's probably deals the fashionable clubs get money from we can barely dream of. It adds up quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 And whose fault is it that the club isn't generating expenditure? I'd still argue that other chairman are still putting in more money...we've been told repeatedly the last few years that every commercial deal we've signed us the biggest one yet..yet still Lerner is putting in more of his own money? Tom Fox appears to have made generating bigger commercial income a priority, not a surprise given his background. As for the deals being the biggest ever over the years, assuming that's entirely true, the difference between a big deal for us and a big deal for say Spurs is astonishing. And more so for the real big boys. Manchester United's current shirt deal compared to ours with Macron is terrifying, and the Macron deal is the biggest we've ever had IIRC. Now repeat for every deal the club can do. And bear in mind there's probably deals the fashionable clubs get money from we can barely dream of. It adds up quickly. Man Utds official Japanese pot noodle partner deal is worth more than our shirt deal The level at which Utd are operating us way way beyond U.S., I'd say even with inflation and where football is going we won't be pulling in Utd 2015 figures in 50 years time Arsenal had £104m in match day revenue, i haven't seen our figures but I'd be surprised if we came near that for our entire revenue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jackbauer24 Posted January 21, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2016 The 'big spending' comment is just spin but also highlights where this board is going wrong. They genuinely believe that they have 'proof' that spending money doesn't work because over his time here Lerner has spent x amount. But because they are not football people and think players are 'stock' with no sell by date they fail to recognise that if you spend £200m in year one but nothing in year ten then this isn't going to fatally harm you. Very few people complained at the level of spending initially. A lot now recognise it wasn't good spending. Most also realise it was unsustainable so needed to be cut back a little. But what the fans, the intelligent media and the wider footballing world see, but the board can't, is that you can't simply cut all investment if you've spent badly initially. You adjust, you tighten your belt but you do not starve the club. Over his entire 'legacy' he may have spent a lot but it is so disproportionately spread that it is inaccurate to suggest money doesn't work. They have tried overspending and it was a fun failure, they have tried starvation and it has been death by a thousand cuts. They can not see there is a midde ground and that's why we should all be worried. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Chindie said: Tom Fox appears to have made generating bigger commercial income a priority, not a surprise given his background. As for the deals being the biggest ever over the years, assuming that's entirely true, the difference between a big deal for us and a big deal for say Spurs is astonishing. And more so for the real big boys. Manchester United's current shirt deal compared to ours with Macron is terrifying, and the Macron deal is the biggest we've ever had IIRC. Now repeat for every deal the club can do. And bear in mind there's probably deals the fashionable clubs get money from we can barely dream of. It adds up quickly. Yes of course the top sides generate more money... But what of the rest of the league? We are one of the select few sides that have been an ever present in the premier league. Surely our income should be higher than most others? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 We learned very little from agm tonight,we already knew the club is badly run by incompetent people who do not want to take the blame for the mess the club is in .It has prob also zapped whatever positivity that existed in the club and supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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