Designer1 Posted March 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: What does she say then? You cant say black Pretty certain you can. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Designer1 said: Pretty certain you can. Can you always seems to be a sensitive subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 8, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 8, 2019 48 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: What does she say then? You cant say black you can't brown you can't say coloured. It's beyond a joke. Black people call us white people I don't get offended by so why should this matter? Should lammy be sacked for calling celebs white people when he was talking about comic relief?? I'll make it simple Dem. Coloureds was a class of people between Black and White in Apartheid South Africa, it meant mixed race. That's why it isn't a term to be used now, it has history and not a very pleasant one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted March 8, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, bickster said: Coloureds was a class of people between Black and White in Apartheid South Africa, it meant mixed race. That's why it isn't a term to be used now, it has history and not a very pleasant one Might I suggest that although the term isn't to be used now in polite society, it certainly is still in SA (in certain quarters). Cue intro to "I've never met a nice...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 24 minutes ago, bickster said: I'll make it simple Dem. Coloureds was a class of people between Black and White in Apartheid South Africa, it meant mixed race. That's why it isn't a term to be used now, it has history and not a very pleasant one I think the world's becoming too pc now mate. Maybe we should continue this is the racism thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 27 minutes ago, bickster said: I'll make it simple Dem. Coloureds was a class of people between Black and White in Apartheid South Africa, it meant mixed race. That's why it isn't a term to be used now, it has history and not a very pleasant one FWIW , they still use it there ..I've run a few surveys out there and the classification they use for race is - Black / White /Coloured / Indian which surprised me the first time I saw it I must admit , but it seems to be acceptable language out there ... not relevant to Rudd's slip yesterday , but relevant for the history lesson being handed out to Dem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I don't think the world is becoming too PC. If somebody feels offended by something, let them. I have a problem with people being offended on behalf of other people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: I don't think the world is becoming too PC. If somebody feels offended by something, let them. I have a problem with people being offended on behalf of other people. Problem is , Rudd thing probably being a good example , a lot of people aren't offended by what Rudd said , they are offended because she is a Tory and said it ..hence they take to twitter with their faux outrage , demand she resign etc ... I don't think the word she used was really the issue for them just the excuse... I've no problem with Diane Abbot finding it offensive , even if I think she overlooked the message and intent from Rudd to point score , but I get pissed off when some guardian reader type decides to find it offensive on our behalf and takes to Facebook / Twitter etc to tell as why we should be offended and call anyone that doesn't agree a Nazi ... they don't seem to realise that for every Guardian reader social warrior it empowers some EDL type social warrior to say the world has gone PC mad , blame the Muslims and say how its a disgrace that some of our ex -military don't have council homes but immigrants do and so on ... Yax- Lennon / Robinson that you created a thread on the other week is the result of people with nothing to say having too much to say , I doubt the genie can ever be put back in the bottle and I fear we will see many many more naughty boys rather than messiahs anyway I'm rambling and not making much sense , guess what i'm trying to say is Political correctness isn't a bad thing per se , it's political agendas that are a bad thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: it's political agendas that are a bad thing If that's the case, it may be an idea to give up on these rambling rants about 'guardian reader types'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, snowychap said: If that's the case, it may be an idea to give up on these rambling rants about 'guardian reader types'. i was struggling for a definition and it seemed a better choice than writing left wing vegan eco warrior , but tbh I thought the intellectual guardian reading people on VT reading it would understand the sentiment , guess i was giving them too much credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: i was struggling for a definition and it seemed a better choice than writing left wing vegan eco warrior , but tbh I thought the intellectual guardian reading people on VT reading it would understand the sentiment , guess i was giving them too much credit I don't think anyone had any troubling understanding your allusion. It's disappointing that this is what you mistakenly inferred from my post rather than the actual point of it, i.e. that rambling rants with political agendas don't seem like the appropriate thing to be undertaken by someone making the claim that 'political agendas are a bad thing'. Edited March 8, 2019 by snowychap I'm not sorry. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatAboutTheFinish Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Trying to explain to a non native English speaker why you can’t call somebody ‘coloured’ but can refer to ‘people of colour’ does make you feel like you are in a bad sitcom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, snowychap said: I don't think anyone had any troubling understanding your allusion. clearly someone did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, tonyh29 said: clearly someone did No, I didn't. But feel free to believe that if it makes you feel better. Edited March 8, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: FWIW , they still use it there ..I've run a few surveys out there and the classification they use for race is - Black / White /Coloured / Indian which surprised me the first time I saw it I must admit , but it seems to be acceptable language out there ... not relevant to Rudd's slip yesterday , but relevant for the history lesson being handed out to Dem Yes the South African cricket team has a quota based on having two black Africans and a certain number of other 'coloured' players e.g. Cape coloured, Asian, mixed race etc. At the end of the day it's usually the word that follows the adjective that is the offensive bit, Rudd's main purpose was sticking up for Dianne Abbott so should get the benefit of the doubt, it was a slip up and she apologised almost immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted March 8, 2019 Moderator Share Posted March 8, 2019 I'm not sure Buzzfeed was why they took action but the leak in itself is pretty damning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tonyh29 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) At the point the clip starts was Self blaming anti Semitism on Brexit ? !!! seeing the clip although Francois seems to have not been listening to what was actually said , Self himslef does say EVERY racist and anti Semite voted Brexit , he then backed tracked on that to say Every racist and anti Semite pretty much probably voted Brexit (I suspect ) .... if someone made a sweeping statement on VT that every xxxx is a xxxx it would have been challenged in seconds but not when it’s for the purposes of ABT , then it’s seen as proof of superior intellect as a side , I’ve only seen Self a few times on TV but he always acts and comes across so smug .. as @chrisp65 is his best mate can you confirm if he is always like this Edited March 9, 2019 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 9, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 9, 2019 59 minutes ago, peterms said: The response to that will be condemnation of the tweeter for calling Amber Rudd & Karen Bradley “dogs” probably. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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