tonyh29 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, blandy said: The response to that will be condemnation of the tweeter for calling Amber Rudd & Karen Bradley “dogs” probably. I suspect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) If anyone is guilty of a sweeping statement in the Politics Live exchange then it's Francois. By saying that Self should apologise to 17.4 million people for what he said, he [Francois] is suggesting that they're all as thick as him. Edited March 9, 2019 by snowychap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 People say demographic change will reduce the tory vote as they die off, but here is photographic evidence they have discovered the secret of eternal youth. This is deeply troubling. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Quote NHS chiefs are pushing through plans to let private companies take over scanning services that are vital in treating cancer patients, having told ministers last week that privatisation was harming patient care. Despite its international reputation for cancer care, Churchill hospital in Oxford has lost its contract to carry out PET-CT scans to InHealth, a private company, as part of the tendering process, the Guardian can reveal. Doctors at the hospital said they were “disgusted” by the loss of the contract, warning that people receiving cancer treatment in the hospital will have to be taken by ambulance to two new locations at which InHealth’s scanners will be located. The decision has raised questions about NHS England’s professed desire to end the outsourcing of patient care, which it outlined in a detailed policy document released at a board meeting last week. The Churchill is the first NHS hospital to lose out as a result of NHS England deciding in 2016 to put positron emission tomography-computed tomography services out to tender. The 3D scans of inside the body help doctors spot tumours and check if cancer treatment is working. NHS England initiated the tender process to save money. However, major teaching hospitals, including King’s College hospital in London, and cancer hospitals such as the Christie in Manchester, are also at risk of having PET-CT services handed to the private sector. NHS England has invited profit-driven companies to bid against NHS trusts for contracts to provide PET-CT scanning in 11 different areas of England. Grauniad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Self is somewhat more correct than Francois, but obviously overstates the case in saying that 'all' (at first) or 'nearly all' (modified) racists voted for Leave. It's not a perfect proxy for racism, but it may be the best we've got: Lord Ashcroft's post-Brexit survey of 12,000 people revealed that around 20% of Remain voters agreed that both multiculturalism and immigration are 'forces for ill' in society: from: https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/02/how-the-uk-voted-on-brexit-and-why-a-refresher/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Quote My complaints of Tory Islamophobia were ignored, so I had to resign The party I was proud of seemed to want to brush my case under the carpet. What is that if not institutional racism? ‘I spoke directly to party chairman Brandon Lewis … I emailed and continually chased, to no avail.’ In January I took the heart-wrenching decision to resign as chair of South Shields Conservative Association. It was a difficult moment. My parents came to Britain from India in the 50s. My father worked as a coalminer for 40 years. I was born here and we were a typical “working-class family”. My father has been a Labour supporter all his life like so many first-generation immigrants, so it was a surprise to both my parents when I joined the Conservative party. But they were so proud when I was elected chairman of my local association. I have always been so grateful for the opportunities made available to me here, and I often reflect on how my life might have turned out had my father not embarked his arduous journey to these shores. Of course, I experienced racism while growing up. That was par for the course, and I thought I had left it largely behind. I never thought that, in 2019, I would experience what I can only describe as institutional racism. The incident that sparked it off occurred on 22 September last year when I was invited to attend an event by Gerard Leake, the chairman of a neighbouring association. While there I overheard a member referring to me as a Muslim in a pejorative way. I was shocked, but because it was a function I didn’t want to cause a scene. I later asked Gerard to confirm what I had heard, which he did. Gerard formally raised the complaint at the regional level but didn’t get anywhere. I felt that, as the remarks were directed at me, I should ensure that the party dealt with the matter and I assumed it would have a process I could follow. The individual concerned denies the remark, so there needs to be a proper investigation. To my surprise, instead it seems like there was a deliberate attempt to sweep the complaint under the carpet in the hope that it would go away. I pursued the matter with regional officers: they simply responded along the lines of “we are looking at it”. I attended the Conservative party conference at the end of September 2018, where I spoke directly to party chairman Brandon Lewis, who asked his deputy chief of staff, Toby Wilmer, who was present, to follow it up. I emailed and chased, again to no avail. As time went on and I continued to pursue the matter, including writing to the prime minister, it felt as though there was a particular reluctance on the part of Conservative Campaign Headquarters to deal with the complaint. Conservative values still matter to me, and I remain a member. What are these? That wherever you are from, whatever the colour of your skin, your gender or your faith, if you work hard, you deserve to be successful. When the party I joined was faced with an incident relating to faith and colour, it seemed wrong to me that, after all my efforts, people appeared not to want to address it. They failed a test that I would expect any modern organisation to pass. In the end, I felt I had no choice but to resign, since I had given the party more than three months to respond appropriately. What makes this more difficult to take is that, while my case was apparently being dealt with, the party chairman publicly stated that there were no outstanding cases at CCHQ related to anti-Muslim racism. Grauniad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post peterms Posted March 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2019 Commenting on the failure of the police to bring to justice powerful people who serially sexually abused children (not all the police's fault, when the security services were destroying evidence), Johnson has criticised the investigations for "spaffing" money. He chooses a sexual metaphor describing male ejaculation to dismiss the victims of male sexual abuse. I can't immediately think of a single word which could more graphically show his contempt for the victims, his utter lack of empathy, and his total disregard even for pretending to show concern. Why does anyone defend the right of this vain imbecile to hold any position in public life? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Natural England made a bizarre move earlier in the year. Quote Licences granted to kill multiple Red-listed species Natural England and Natural Resources Wales have given the go-ahead for Red-listed species such as Eurasian Curlew, Eurasian Skylark and House Sparrow to be shot. The full list of birds for which killing permits have been issued includes several other scarcely believable species, including Blackbird, Eurasian Bullfinch, European Robin, Great Tit, Northern Lapwing and Red Kite. Officials from both organisations have said the permits were handed out for air safety, public health and safety and to prevent serious damage to livestock, and it's likely thousands of birds have so far been killed under the licenses. Birdguides How was this allowed to happen? Quote Natural England and Natural Resources Wales have mysteriously given the go-ahead for protected species such as robins, starlings, blackbirds and bullfinches to be shot: Licences granted to kill multiple Red-listed species I say mysteriously, because the reasons given are very strange. When asked why these licences have been granted, Natural England simply claim the birds are a “threat to public health and air safety” and the slaughter is to “prevent serious damage to livestock”. It’s somewhat hard to imagine how starlings and robins could ever be a danger to the public or herds of cows. Of course, the fact that these protected nesting birds are one of the biggest problems facing property developers (*see information below) when they attempt to develop brownfield sites for residential housing is nothing at all to do with the decision. As, I’m sure, is the fact that the Chair of Natural England, Andrew Sells, also happens to be one of the founders of Linden Homes, a property development business specialising in the development of brownfield sites for residential housing. Tory government ministers chose Andrew Sells – a venture capitalist with no experience of ecological or environmental matters – as the Chair of Natural England a few years ago. A surprise decision which I’m sure was not at all influenced by the fact that Andrew Sells is a major Tory party donor and the fact that property developers in general are some of the Tories’ biggest donors. No conflicts of interest at all then. Pride's Purge Golly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 43 minutes ago, Xann said: Natural England made a bizarre move earlier in the year. Birdguides How was this allowed to happen? Pride's Purge Golly. Raptors are very much persecuted by certain hunting types aswell. Yesterday on the Beeb there was a story of a Powys sheep farmer who, while out feeding, spotted a white bird she thought was a gull until she realised it was possibly a rare white kite. Did she reach for the gun? No. She took video on her phone and phoned the BBC. In Powys (Where the kite is the council logo) there has always been much local pride that the longest and most successful reintroduction conservation programme this country has ever seen was started there. Historically they were persecuted to near extinction in the UK. In the 70's the claim is we were down to 1 female, who lived somewhere in the Mid Wales valleys. While kites have been known to swoop on the odd barbeque or take items of clothing for it's nests. (I think there's a story of somewhere in Scotland where skinny dippers lost their pants n that - may be urban legend, but funny all the same) the livestock farming community, and certainly the farmers and landowners I know, love them. They will take small mammals, but even Lambs (While not impossible) are a bit big really. They nest in woodland and Rabbits and the like are more their thing. As such Pheasant and Partridge are particularly likely to be affected by kites moving in and Moorland birds like Grouse in a more open habitat would be like fish in a barrel for raptors. And their love of carrion makes them sadly particularly susceptible to poisoning. No surprise really that most poisoning cases that get found out just happen to be near to estates and areas used for game hunting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 14, 2019 Author Moderator Share Posted March 14, 2019 On 14/03/2019 at 09:59, Xann said: Pride's Purge Golly. I think I read that under a similar thing last year, something like 160,000 birds were killed, including Owls and so on. It's just beyond mental. Edit. It was permission to kill that total over 5 years, not just one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chrisp65 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Xann said: Natural England made a bizarre move earlier in the year. Birdguides How was this allowed to happen? Pride's Purge Golly. Every day I'm more and more convinced that NR Wales is just a mafia front organisation. They're pro nuclear dumping, they gave a sea dumping license 1 mile off Penarth for sludge from Hinckley Point that the english authorities wouldn't allow to be dumped their side. They've allowed extra dredging of sand when given science that sand was being erroded from the beaches. They've allowed an incinerator in the centre of town with a chimney that's lower than the nearest houses. Same incinerator was allowed to operate without an environmental impact assessment. There's more, so much more, dodgy land deals, weird 'loans', secret timber auctions. Criminal activity legitimised with a letterhead. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 7 hours ago, blandy said: I think I read that under a similar thing last year, something like 160,000 birds were killed, including Owls and so on. It's just beyond mental. Tory filth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Xann said: Tory filth. Whilst I’d hate to let anything get in the way of a bit of Tory bashing , In wales and scotland it ain’t the Tories that issue these permits is it ? and it’s questionable if they Issue them in England as Natural England are a non department government advisory not the actual government ( though Gove may have a say on matters , I’m sure it can be googled though ) Edited March 14, 2019 by tonyh29 Tone of post seemed a bit aggressive so changed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 47 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Every day I'm more and more convinced that NR Wales is just a mafia front organisation. They're pro nuclear dumping, they gave a sea dumping license 1 mile off Penarth for sludge from Hinckley Point that the english authorities wouldn't allow to be dumped their side. They've allowed extra dredging of sand when given science that sand was being erroded from the beaches. They've allowed an incinerator in the centre of town with a chimney that's lower than the nearest houses. Same incinerator was allowed to operate without an environmental impact assessment. There's more, so much more, dodgy land deals, weird 'loans', secret timber auctions. Criminal activity legitimised with a letterhead. How much of that is down to Tory filth ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, tonyh29 said: How much of that is down to Tory filth ? Have you crossed streams? I never said tory filth. Though it's fair to say everything bad can be traced back to tory filth eventually. Back to last night's Newsnight, they had two Barry tory councillors on there sat in a cafe explaining how we had to represent the voters and have to leave. It was their and our duty to represent democracy. Or some such bollocks. Unchallenged that they represent a place that voted remain. As does little Alan our MP that's mad keen for brexit and thinks food banks only encourage people to spend their own money on drugs. (tory filth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: and it’s questionable if they Issue them in England as Natural England are a non department government advisory not the actual government ( though Gove may have a say on matters , I’m sure it can be googled though ) Quote When you need a licence You need a licence from Natural England if you plan to disturb or remove wildlife or damage habitats. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wildlife-licences Just the man to put in charge, eh? By the the Tory filth, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Have you crossed streams? I never said tory filth. Though it's fair to say everything bad can be traced back to tory filth eventually. Back to last night's Newsnight, they had two Barry tory councillors on there sat in a cafe explaining how we had to represent the voters and have to leave. It was their and our duty to represent democracy. Or some such bollocks. Unchallenged that they represent a place that voted remain. As does little Alan our MP that's mad keen for brexit and thinks food banks only encourage people to spend their own money on drugs. (tory filth) I wasn’t suggesting you did ..... It’s the Tory thread and the post(s) above referenced NR Wales decisions as part of the Tory filth line ... so I was seeking clarification if the Tory’s were running NR Wales ( just using fewer words ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, tonyh29 said: I wasn’t suggesting you did ..... It’s the Tory thread and the post(s) above referenced NR Wales decisions as part of the Tory filth line ... so I was seeking clarification if the Tory’s were running NR Wales ( just using fewer words ) I think it's the red tory filth over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Xann said: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wildlife-licences Just the man to put in charge, eh? By the the Tory filth, eh? That hasn’t proven anything other than it’s on the govt website , and as i already stated they are a part of the government but i(n theory at least ) independent of the government ... I’d prefer to see something linking Gove ( or predecessors ) directly to this policy and I’d be inclined to agree with your description Tony Juniper is taking over as head of this shortly isn’t he , presumably the permits will end at this point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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