Genie Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Go full anti-woke and hoover up the loony vote. Somehow get Farage in as leader. Not as mad as it sounds, as @bickstermentioned in the by-election thread, Tamworth was still over 51% throbber. If Farage merged all the Tory, UKIP, BF, Reform votes then they’ve got a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Seat68 said: I dont know the answer and have no suggestions, but what can the tories do that would make them electable. Not talking about undoing anything, Brexit etc. What could they do in the next 12 months that might see them win the next GE. New leader? Tax cuts? Help with cost of living? The things i would expect: 1. discredit labour policies 2. target Starmer as someone with no experience and an unproven leader 3. Attempt to highlight things they perceive to have gone well (vaccination support, some brexit deals, support for Israel/Ukraine 4. Promise some classic tory policies 5. Target some policies they believe latent labour supporters believe to be important (were not going to push Ulez down your throats, we'll debate the BBC license fee, etc). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted October 20, 2023 Author Moderator Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Seat68 said: I dont know the answer and have no suggestions, but what can the tories do that would make them electable. Not talking about undoing anything, Brexit etc. What could they do in the next 12 months that might see them win the next GE. New leader? Tax cuts? Help with cost of living? I know the answer to this one. Usually I’d charge a fee to reveal the perfect strategy, but this one is pro bono because they are such a deserving cause. 1. People hate politicians making false promises: Promise nothing 2. People hate divided parties, so to cover the division in the party a complete vow of silence from all members and MPs must be adhered to between now and the next election. 3. People don’t like all these candidates being parachuted in. Avoid that by not fielding any candidates. 4. People will think fielding no candidates and saying nothing at all is a gimmick. Underline the sincerity of it by dissolving the party completely. Thats it. Easy. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, Genie said: Not as mad as it sounds, as @bickstermentioned in the by-election thread, Tamworth was still over 51% throbber. If Farage merged all the Tory, UKIP, BF, Reform votes then they’ve got a chance. That means they just about retain their 55th safest seat. It doesn't mean they win a General Election. If the lesson that they take from the two last night is that they should be even more UKKIPpy than they are already, their defeat will be even bigger. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 You see what the ONS are reporting as people’s main concerns and you see the tories wanting to campaign on small boats and women only wards in hospitals and banning seven bins. They need a leadership challenge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: They need a leadership challenge. Fortunately, next Monday marks 12 months of Sunak being leader. And 12 months is the date from which letters can go in to get rid of him. You know what to do, Tory MPs. edit - or rather, letters that go in can have the effect of causing a leadership challenge. Edited October 20, 2023 by ml1dch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Go full anti-woke and hoover up the loony vote. Somehow get Farage in as leader. No chance. The Dolphin would stand against him in whatever seat they tried to parachute him into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Seat68 said: I dont know the answer and have no suggestions, but what can the tories do that would make them electable. Not talking about undoing anything, Brexit etc. What could they do in the next 12 months that might see them win the next GE. New leader? Tax cuts? Help with cost of living? It's too late. Too much has happened. There's nothing they can do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: You see what the ONS are reporting as people’s main concerns and you see the tories wanting to campaign on small boats and women only wards in hospitals and banning seven bins. They need a leadership challenge. Yes the only people I know that think migration is the major issue are Farage supporters who watch GB News Edited October 20, 2023 by PaulC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2023 56 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Fortunately, next Monday marks 12 months of Sunak being leader. And 12 months is the date from which letters can go in to get rid of him. You know what to do, Tory MPs. edit - or rather, letters that go in can have the effect of causing a leadership challenge. There have already been rumours of letters going in prior to the 12 month moratorium ending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Liz Truss for PM! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 4 leaders in one term really would be something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Go full anti-woke and hoover up the loony vote. Somehow get Farage in as leader. That's pretty much what they're doing. It's not going to get them elected and is pushing voters away in droves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, PaulC said: It's too late. Too much has happened. There's nothing they can do now. I wouldn't go that far. But I think that the only thing that can lead to a Tory government after the next election is stuff happening that they aren't in control of. Labour could have a massive impolosion. It would need to be huge, but it wouldn't be impossible. If World War III breaks out two weeks before the election, I imagine the Tories would probably win on a continuity ticket. There are no policy levers that they can pull which will make a difference for them, so agree that there's nothing THEY can do. Actually, I suppose they could start World War III, but I imagine the country wouldn't thank them in those circumstances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Genie said: Not as mad as it sounds, as @bickstermentioned in the by-election thread, Tamworth was still over 51% throbber. If Farage merged all the Tory, UKIP, BF, Reform votes then they’ve got a chance. It might win them back a safest of safe seats but it's not going to get them elected. They'll just get trounced in all other places. What. They need to do is walk away from all the throbber issues and appeal more to the mid ground, shift more to the left. The further right they go the worse they will lose. Edited October 20, 2023 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Bring Boris back! He's an election winner and got Brexit done. (In case of doubt, I don't mean it and know he's banned from parliament) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, blandy said: 1. People hate politicians making false promises: Promise nothing 2. People hate divided parties, so to cover the division in the party a complete vow of silence from all members and MPs must be adhered to between now and the next election. I thought for a minute you were talking about Labour under Starmer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, sidcow said: What. They need to do is walk away from all the throbber issues and appeal more to the mid ground, shift more to the left. The further right they go the worse they will lose. He's stuck though. Any move to the centre (which also isn't his own politics, and Prime Ministers normally tend to want to stick with what they actually want) will be met with dissent from dozens in his own party. The last thing he needs right now is the likes of Braverman resigning, briefing against him and preparing her own leadership bid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jonesy7211 said: Bring Boris back! He's an election winner and got Brexit done. (In case of doubt, I don't mean it and know he's banned from parliament) You just know that JRM will blame their ongoing trouncing on getting rid of BoJo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: He's stuck though. Any move to the centre (which also isn't his own politics, and Prime Ministers normally tend to want to stick with what they actually want) will be met with dissent from dozens in his own party. The last thing he needs right now is the likes of Braverman resigning, briefing against him and preparing her own leadership bid. This would be glorious. The absolute end of the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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