bickster Posted October 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: 4 leaders in one term really would be something else. More than 2 is exceptional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, ml1dch said: He's stuck though. Any move to the centre (which also isn't his own politics, and Prime Ministers normally tend to want to stick with what they actually want) will be met with dissent from dozens in his own party. The last thing he needs right now is the likes of Braverman resigning, briefing against him and preparing her own leadership bid. Oh absolutely. They're hamstrung by their own grassroots. I was just answering the question about what they have to do to get re-elected. I know they're not going to do it so are likely going to be out in the wilderness for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted October 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Seat68 said: I dont know the answer and have no suggestions, but what can the tories do that would make them electable. Not talking about undoing anything, Brexit etc. What could they do in the next 12 months that might see them win the next GE. New leader? Tax cuts? Help with cost of living? There is nothing they can do. They have broken pretty much everything and they can't even get close to repairing any of that in 12 months. NHS on its knees, social care decimated, prisons full to the point they are having to let criminals out early, councils all over the country, including many Tory led, gone or about to go bankrupt, schools and hospitals in dire state of repair. Then you get into things like the number of people living in poverty having gone through the roof, including almost 5 million children living in poverty, sky high inflation impacting everyone and due to their incompetence way worse than in comparable countries. The list could go on and on. To top all the above off though, and the thing they have zero intention of fixing, and may well try to make worse before finally stopping stinking the place out is the division they have caused, the cultural wars they have created, that equal weight is now given by many to total bullshit up against facts and that trust in politicians and those in authority is on the floor. It is despicable what they have done and chickens are 100% coming home to roost. Edited October 20, 2023 by markavfc40 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 So they’ve looked at those two results. They can see the ONS data on what voters think is important and two tory MP’s have chipped in with their thoughts on how to improve their chances: go harder on Brexit small boats crime trans people They have truly become the party of the nutter, and the bitter and twisted. Just to take public order. We have some of the lowest crime we’ve recorded in decades and they’ve managed to take that and turn it in to locking so many people up that we now have to let them out early or asking them to stay home until there’s a place for them. Just a ridiculous unnecessary own goal. Their double think of reducing MoJ budget and wanting to lock more people up. Who could possibly have seen the consequence of that! Not processing asylum claims, spending billions on temporary accommodation. Who could possibly have seen that coming! It would be funnier if they weren’t stuffing their pockets with our money whilst one by one being outed as sex pests. BBC feed Quote John Hayes, who chairs the backbench Common Sense Group of Tory MPs, says while politicians shouldn't dismiss the results of elections, “it would be a huge mistake to extrapolate from these results”. Hayes says the party should “fight the next election on our territory, not Labour’s” and focus on Conservative priorities - like immigration and public order. Devizes MP Danny Kruger, who co-chairs the New Conservatives group of mainly "Red Wall" MPs, agrees, telling BBC Radio 4's World at One the Brexit referendum result showed "ordinary people... wanted their country back" - and the government had yet to deliver this. He describes the results as a "wake-up call", saying the Tories can still win the next election if they get their vote out by standing up for voters' values - on migration, sex education in schools, gender issues and taxation. Kruger says the PM has the "right instincts" - but needs to lean in, in a more coherent way, as he has already started to do on net zero. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: So they’ve looked at those two results. They can see the ONS data on what voters think is important and two tory MP’s have chipped in with their thoughts on how to improve their chances: go harder on Brexit small boats crime trans people They have truly become the party of the nutter, and the bitter and twisted. Just to take public order. We have some of the lowest crime we’ve recorded in decades and they’ve managed to take that and turn it in to locking so many people up that we now have to let them out early or asking them to stay home until there’s a place for them. Just a ridiculous unnecessary own goal. Their double think of reducing MoJ budget and wanting to lock more people up. Who could possibly have seen the consequence of that! Not processing asylum claims, spending billions on temporary accommodation. Who could possibly have seen that coming! It would be funnier if they weren’t stuffing their pockets with our money whilst one by one being outed as sex pests. BBC feed There was a programme on ITV last night about shop lifting and they say that because the police response is so poor nowadays only a fraction of instances get reported. It’s literally a waste of time. A store manager for Co-op said he sees 3-10 shoplifters robbing him every day. It’s common knowledge that if under £200 they won’t be prosecuted. Also, places like Tamworth have lost their police front desk. I’ve seen many mentions that trying to report a crime over the phone is almost as hard as getting a GP appointment. A few reasons why reported instances of crime are very low. The reality might not be so positive. Edited October 20, 2023 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Genie said: Also, places like Tamworth have lost their police front desk Everywhere has 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bickster said: Everywhere has It’s one way of getting reported crime down. Edited October 20, 2023 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: There was a programme on ITV last night about shop lifting and they say that because the police response is so poor nowadays only a fraction of instances get reported. It’s literally a waste of time. A store manager for Co-op said he sees 3-10 shoplifters robbing him every day. It’s common knowledge that if under £200 they won’t be prosecuted. Also, places like Tamworth have lost their police front desk. A few reasons why reported instances of crime are very low. The reality might not be so positive. It wasn’t based on reported crime, as you say, that figure is skewed by people not reporting. It was the ONS survey of people’s experience of crime which is considered more accurate*, the latest survey shows a 10% drop. Violence against the person, down. Theft and burglary, down. Knife crime, down (believe it or not). Murder, down. Vehicle theft, down. *the figures don’t include company data which explains the shoplifting figure, however, people weren’t going to prison for shoplifting and they still aren’t. ONS Survey year end Sept 2022 Quote The latest figures from the CSEW for the year ending September 2022 showed that compared with the pre-coronavirus pandemic year ending March 2020, total crime decreased by 10%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2023 Just now, Genie said: It’s one way of reported crime down. Yep, one of many measures implemented as "cost saving" measures that had the desired effect Is a crime committed if nobody reports it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, markavfc40 said: There is nothing they can do. They have broken pretty much everything and they can't even get close to repairing any of that in 12 months. NHS on its knees, social care decimated, prisons full to the point they are having to let criminals out early, councils all over the country, including many Tory led, gone or about to go bankrupt, schools and hospitals in dire state of repair. Then you get into things like the number of people living in poverty having gone through the roof, including almost 5 million children living in poverty, sky high inflation impacting everyone and due to their incompetence way worse than in comparable countries. The list could go on and on. To top all the above off though, and the thing they have zero intention of fixing, and may well try to make worse before finally stopping stinking the place out is the division they have caused, the cultural wars they have created, that equal weight is now given by many to total bullshit up against facts and that trust in politicians and those in authority is on the floor. It is despicable what they have done and chickens are 100% coming home to roost. Yeah, but small boats..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2023 Quote Train operator TransPennine Express has announced it will cut services to improve punctuality and reliability. BBC Genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) Our trains are always late! Aha! If we have less trains they will be late less often! Edited October 20, 2023 by Chindie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 23 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Genius. Probably the person who said they would extend the HS2 project over more years to save money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 9 hours ago, Seat68 said: I dont know the answer and have no suggestions, but what can the tories do that would make them electable. Not talking about undoing anything, Brexit etc. What could they do in the next 12 months that might see them win the next GE. New leader? Tax cuts? Help with cost of living? They'd need an economic miracle in the next 12 months. Not GDP growth, but actual purchasing power increases. If people actually started to feel their wages going further, they could be tempted to stick with the Tories and hope it increases. Not that the Tories have any actual ideas on how to do this. They care about growth and people don't care if GDP is up 3% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mozzavfc said: They'd need an economic miracle in the next 12 months. Not GDP growth, but actual purchasing power increases. If people actually started to feel their wages going further, they could be tempted to stick with the Tories and hope it increases. Not that the Tories have any actual ideas on how to do this. They care about growth and people don't care if GDP is up 3% The answer is staring them in the face and starts with B, but that pill is too big for this crop of Tories to swallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 20, 2023 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Genie said: The answer is staring them in the face and starts with B, but that pill is too big for this crop of Tories to swallow. Someone else told them that and all they could think of was boats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Genie said: The answer is staring them in the face and starts with B, but that pill is too big for this crop of Tories to swallow. Bananas? They're ditching all the climate change policies in order to accelerate climate change so we can grow Bananas in the UK and corner the global market? Edited October 20, 2023 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted October 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2023 So it seems were getting food waste bins, something we don't have here in Solihull. So immediately after Sunaks promise we get an extra bin. That's not going to go down well with the throbbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2023 Define 'food waste'. Will it need to be sorted (cooked, uncooked, vegetable, meat, etc.) ? Will it be made into compost? If so, will this be provided free for householders? We already compost all our uncooked vegetable matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 hours ago, sidcow said: So it seems were getting food waste bins, something we don't have here in Solihull. So immediately after Sunaks promise we get an extra bin. That's not going to go down well with the throbbers. If only we'd listened to Sunaks warnings! We'll be over ran by bins before we know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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