The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

[chrisp65]

Tonk

 

[peterms]

Johnson gives the green light to murderers, as long as they wear uniform.

 

[peterms]

 

[bickster]

8 hours ago, Seat68 said:

Honky

 

8 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

Tonk

Blues

[sharkyvilla]

17 hours ago, Mic09 said:

It depends what you mean by "Brexit" doesn't it.

If you are looking for a specific date when the UK has left the EU, yeah, that's next month. That's what the kids will learn in school and that's what will be written in history books.

If you are looking at the end of negotiations, deals, trade agreements, then Brexit will never, by definition, be over with.

I'm glad someone else said it, I was starting to think I may be missing something!

[Wainy316]

12 hours ago, Seat68 said:

Honky

 

12 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

Tonk

 

Man

 

[snowychap]

2 hours ago, sharkyvilla said:

I'm glad someone else said it, I was starting to think I may be missing something!

Except it's not really the case.

The argument relies upon this 'whole and entire' thing (which rather ignores the NI protocol part of the withdrawal agreement) and ignoring the fact of the transition period. Whilst the UK may become a third country at the end of January and cease to be in the EU, the implementation period/transition period (where EU law still applies in the UK save for the provisions as set out in the WA) doesn't end until the end of 2020 (unless extended) and that's really a halfway house (maybe a quarterway house) between membership and being out of the EU. Maybe then (31st Dec 2020 if no extension) one would be able to say that the actual exit was complete - though that still wouldn't necessarily be the case for NI as the protocol applies until it is voted against.

So, am I defining 'Brexit' as everything that ever has to do with the UK leaving the EU, including all future relationship discussions however long they last? No, I'm not. It's a daft suggestion and it seems to imply a lack of understanding of what is about to happen.

Edited December 20, 2019 by snowychap

[Mic09]

1 hour ago, snowychap said:

Except it's not really the case.

The argument relies upon this 'whole and entire' thing (which rather ignores the NI protocol part of the withdrawal agreement) and ignoring the fact of the transition period. Whilst the UK may become a third country at the end of January and cease to be in the EU, the implementation period/transition period (where EU law still applies in the UK save for the provisions as set out in the WA) doesn't end until the end of 2020 (unless extended) and that's really a halfway house (maybe a quarterway house) between membership and being out of the EU. Maybe then (31st Dec 2020 if no extension) one would be able to say that the actual exit was complete - though that still wouldn't necessarily be the case for NI as the protocol applies until it is voted against.

So, am I defining 'Brexit' as everything that ever has to do with the UK leaving the EU, including all future relationship discussions however long they last? No, I'm not. It's a daft suggestion and it seems to imply a lack of understanding of what is about to happen.

You are correct.

But both answers (end of Jan OR end of transition period) are in fact correct, depending on what is it exactly that you are asking.

When you divorce your missus, does it happen on the date the court signs the paperwork or on the day you finish sharing all of your belongings and agree what days you are allowed to see the kids?

[bannedfromHandV]

19 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

You are correct.

But both answers (end of Jan OR end of transition period) are in fact correct, depending on what is it exactly that you are asking.

When you divorce your missus, does it happen on the date the court signs the paperwork or on the day you finish sharing all of your belongings and agree what days you are allowed to see the kids?

Ha, is this serious?

It quite obviously is the former.

I've been divorced and up until the point it was formalised by the courts she remained my wife and was in line for any and all considerations as such.

[chrisp65]

22 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

You are correct.

But both answers (end of Jan OR end of transition period) are in fact correct, depending on what is it exactly that you are asking.

When you divorce your missus, does it happen on the date the court signs the paperwork or on the day you finish sharing all of your belongings and agree what days you are allowed to see the kids?

In Wakanda, you just have to turn around on the spot three times, point at her and shout 'poor sandwiches, be gone', and that's the deal done.

[Mic09]

3 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

Ha, is this serious?

It quite obviously is the former.

I've been divorced and up until the point it was formalised by the courts she remained my wife and was in line for any and all considerations as such.

That's my point exactly. 

But then I bet you had things to sort out between yourselves, such as who takes the dog, who picks up the kids on Tuesdays after football and sell the house.

So "when is Brexit happening" is not very clear, and there is more than one correct answer. 

[Mic09]

2 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

In Wakanda, you just have to turn around on the spot three times, point at her and shout 'poor sandwiches, be gone', and that's the deal done.

Some places (even fictional ones) are just more civilised than the UK...

[StefanAVFC]

18 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

That's my point exactly. 

But then I bet you had things to sort out between yourselves, such as who takes the dog, who picks up the kids on Tuesdays after football and sell the house.

So "when is Brexit happening" is not very clear, and there is more than one correct answer. 

So the government ceasing any use of the word Brexit following 31st January, and winding up all departments and select committees pertaining to Brexit is wrong and cynical then?

Glad we're in agreement

[snowychap]

1 hour ago, Mic09 said:

But both answers (end of Jan OR end of transition period) are in fact correct, depending on what is it exactly that you are asking.

When you divorce your missus, does it happen on the date the court signs the paperwork or on the day you finish sharing all of your belongings and agree what days you are allowed to see the kids?

I know people like analogies and people keep on returning to this analogy but it doesn't hold.

[snowychap]

53 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

But then I bet you had things to sort out between yourselves, such as who takes the dog, who picks up the kids on Tuesdays after football and sell the house.

Have you any notion of the content of the Withdrawal Agreement and what the transition period entails? Your posts here seem to demonstrate that this has completely passed you by.

Edited December 20, 2019 by snowychap

[snowychap]

 

[bickster]

Was about to come here to post the same @snowychap

Very Trumpian

[Mic09]

1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said:

So the government ceasing any use of the word Brexit following 31st January, and winding up all departments and select committees pertaining to Brexit is wrong and cynical then?

Glad we're in agreement

Oh we are, 100%!

[StefanAVFC]

Urgh.

[Risso]

19 hours ago, peterms said:

 

 

A couple of miles from me in the next village, travellers turned up one Friday evening about a month ago, and started tipping dozens of tipper lorry loads of hardcore down into a section of a field that until the day before had sheep grazing on it.  This is greenfield land that is completely unsuited for such a "development".  They have no planning permission, no services, and what they've tipped on there is classed as contaminants as a lot of it is from road scrapings.  The council have served them with cease and desist orders etc, which have been completely ignored.  There's now about 20 caravans on there, with an influx of anti-social behaviour, fly-tipping and uninsured vehicles being driven dangerously around narrow country roads.

There needs to be more official sites for the traveller community, but there does also need to be more that local people can do to protect themselves from their anti-social behaviour, of either just illegally trespassing on private/public land, or buying plots of land and doing what they like on them.  Everybody else has to comply with planning laws, why shouldn't they?