peterms Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Risso said: There needs to be more official sites for the traveller community, but there does also need to be more that local people can do to protect themselves from their anti-social behaviour, of either just illegally trespassing on private/public land, or buying plots of land and doing what they like on them. Everybody else has to comply with planning laws, why shouldn't they? Agree with all those points. But the seizure and destruction of their homes is not a reasonable or proportionate measure, nor one directed against other people committing antisocial acts, or contravening planning law (though someone can be required to remove a building they have built without planning permission, which is not directly equivalent). It is a measure which is designed to play to hatred of travellers, and by "othering" them it reinforces and validates racism. I would hope the courts would find that it is something directed at one idetifiable group in a way which contravenes equalities law. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) More does need to be done to stop what certainly seems like a large proportion of the travelling community from treating both public and private land as their own personal toilet and landfill, but it shouldn't be lawful for the police to seize anyone's property if they're not being charged with a crime, and permanent seizure/destruction of property ought to be at the discretion of a judge after a conviction. It should be kept in mind that every power that's given to the police will be abused. Edited December 20, 2019 by Davkaus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I’ve just read the manifesto. It makes no mention of Roma or Gypsies. I’m gonna stick my neck out and say it probably doesn’t mention black people being the drug problem or white english people thieving millions of pounds in tax evasion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, peterms said: Agree with all those points. But the seizure and destruction of their homes is not a reasonable or proportionate measure, nor one directed against other people committing antisocial acts, or contravening planning law (though someone can be required to remove a building they have built without planning permission, which is not directly equivalent). It is a measure which is designed to play to hatred of travellers, and by "othering" them it reinforces and validates racism. I would hope the courts would find that it is something directed at one idetifiable group in a way which contravenes equalities law. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Evidence-based policymaking, how are ye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 21 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Evidence-based policymaking, how are ye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I'm putting this in here because they've been running the country for the last nine years, but TBH I'm sure Burnham needs to do what he can on this as well: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 26, 2019 Moderator Share Posted December 26, 2019 18 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm putting this in here because they've been running the country for the last nine years, but TBH I'm sure Burnham needs to do what he can on this as well: It's not really Burnham's remit is it? This is a local council responsibility not a Metro Mayor one. That's certainly the way it seems to be working on this side of the NW Chippy tits does the homeless stuff whilst Rotherham campaigns on Northern Powerhouse, transport (Remove Northern Rail currently) and dishes out money from training for the unemployed etc. Metro mayors are all big picture stuff for the region 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HanoiVillan Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, bickster said: It's not really Burnham's remit is it? This is a local council responsibility not a Metro Mayor one. That's certainly the way it seems to be working on this side of the NW Chippy tits does the homeless stuff whilst Rotherham campaigns on Northern Powerhouse, transport (Remove Northern Rail currently) and dishes out money from training for the unemployed etc. Metro mayors are all big picture stuff for the region Yeah, it looks like you're right on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 27, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, chrisp65 said: If Jesus was born today Rees-Mogg would deport him Edited December 27, 2019 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Just now, Stevo985 said: If Jesus was born today Rees-Mogg would report him Well worth reading down the responses, some are excellent. My fave was ‘you ain’t no Christian bruv’. But some of the cartoons of tory Jesus declaring people fit for work were really good. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seat68 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Hey Siri please show me a list of words removed honoured for doing their **** job. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HanoiVillan Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I'd love to believe that's the price of him taking a back **** seat from now on, but I won't be so lucky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Sir Ian Duncan Smith.......why, just why. Services to inflicting suffering on the poor perhaps. These gongs really should be binned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 After having visited family in Cardiff yesterday I can with a hand on my heart say that I've never ever experienced homelessness in the way I saw there. I don't know what's going on but the local council need a serious kick up their arse. I'm sure there's a lot of issues with the government but a lot can be done without needing Bojo's assistance (you're not going to get it). After our dinner we went down to the Huggard centre and donated money and food and the volunteers there said that it's always been an issue no matter the government, they depend on donations and volunteers rather than grandstanding in London from either major party. One volunteer said that they've had as many as 4000 people sleeping rough within the city centre at one time this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, magnkarl said: After having visited family in Cardiff yesterday I can with a hand on my heart say that I've never ever experienced homelessness in the way I saw there. I don't know what's going on but the local council need a serious kick up their arse. I'm sure there's a lot of issues with the government but a lot can be done without needing Bojo's assistance (you're not going to get it). After our dinner we went down to the Huggard centre and donated money and food and the volunteers there said that it's always been an issue no matter the government, they depend on donations and volunteers rather than grandstanding in London from either major party. One volunteer said that they've had as many as 4000 people sleeping rough within the city centre at one time this year. Under Labour, rough sleeping was all but eradicated. Resources were put into sheltered accommodation for those without homes. Of course there were still some sleeping out, there always will be. But under the austerity inflicted by the Tories, with, sadly, the help of Clegg and co., the problem rapidly returned. My wife worked for 26 years in housing, she saw from the inside the damage their callous indifference caused. Local Govt. budgets were slashed to the bone.The bankers crash was seen as an opportunity by the Tories to implement their harshest social engineering since Thatcher. Homelessness, like food banks and targeting the most vulnerable in society, is what the Tories do.She loathes the Tories with a passion. It’s one of the reasons I love her so much. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 It's the same in any major city. In 2010 there were still homeless people, some people will stay out there no matter what you try to do to help them, but in Nottingham, I knew the 4 or 5 regulars that you'd see in the city centre. There are dozens of the poor bastards now, and it's the same in every big town and city in the country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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