NurembergVillan Posted February 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Is it right the man of principle dedicated most of his QT today slamming Trump and May for meeting him etc etc and then when asked if he will be attending the state dinner for Trumps visit said a decision would be made closer to the time I'd love to be a fly on the wall if Trumpet and Corbyn had a private meeting. What an awkward, stilted conversation that would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 1, 2017 26 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Labour are absolutely screwed no matter what they do (especially on this issue, but increasingly on other issues as well). I might be wildly wrong, and while I agree with you under the current situation, I don't think they have to be absolutely screwed. I think that's a consequence of their current make up and behaviour, not some kind of inherent terminal thing. I think there are an absolute ton of people who essentially want a competent, fair, honest, open, pragmatic governement that is left of centre. I think that things like the NHS, transport, various public services, etc etc. are seen as in crisis under the tories and people want them sorted out. There's plenty people don't want UKIP style hate, don't want tory style pandering to offshore money and the rich above all else. Theresa May will quickly become immensely unpopular (IMO) as the Yurp thing progresses and the NHS etc continues to fall apart. I get that as Darren said lots of Northern towns have more leave than remain voters in them, they are currently labour seats, so Labour doesn't want to go against its voters.i nthe north - it prefers to go against its voters in the south, because while they're are more of these southern remainers than there are labour northern leavers, they're in fewer seats - but that's ultimately cynical positioning, given it goes against the MPs beliefs. It's the wrong move. It's wrong now, and it'll look even more wrong once Brexit starts to cause people pain because the tories make it as, er, hard as they can to appease the immigration nobbers. If Labour could get over itself, start being led properly it could revive itself. I suspect though that they won't and they'll carry on screwing themselves, but they really don't have to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Just now, NurembergVillan said: I'd love to be a fly on the wall if Trumpet and Corbyn had a private meeting. What an awkward, stilted conversation that would be. well they are both republicans but policy wise they have a lot in common they are both protectionist, isolationist and dead against globalisation and even NATO they may share some ground Corbyn has said of Nato: ‘I’d rather we weren’t in it’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Just now, blandy said: If Labour could get over itself, start being led properly it could revive itself. I suspect though that they won't and they'll carry on screwing themselves, but they really don't have to. won't they just revert to being a red Tory party à la Blair ? or would this new leader keep to Corbyn'esque type policy .. which seems to be what started all this to begin with for Labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, blandy said: I might be wildly wrong, and while I agree with you under the current situation, I don't think they have to be absolutely screwed. I think that's a consequence of their current make up and behaviour, not some kind of inherent terminal thing. I think there are an absolute ton of people who essentially want a competent, fair, honest, open, pragmatic governement that is left of centre. I think that things like the NHS, transport, various public services, etc etc. are seen as in crisis under the tories and people want them sorted out. There's plenty people don't want UKIP style hate, don't want tory style pandering to offshore money and the rich above all else. Theresa May will quickly become immensely unpopular (IMO) as the Yurp thing progresses and the NHS etc continues to fall apart. I get that as Darren said lots of Northern towns have more leave than remain voters in them, they are currently labour seats, so Labour doesn't want to go against its voters.i nthe north - it prefers to go against its voters in the south, because while they're are more of these southern remainers than there are labour northern leavers, they're in fewer seats - but that's ultimately cynical positioning, given it goes against the MPs beliefs. It's the wrong move. It's wrong now, and it'll look even more wrong once Brexit starts to cause people pain because the tories make it as, er, hard as they can to appease the immigration nobbers. If Labour could get over itself, start being led properly it could revive itself. I suspect though that they won't and they'll carry on screwing themselves, but they really don't have to. I agree with all of this actually. I also think history will show that having a bit of gumption and going against the northern voters, siding with the south and his core support and oppose brexit. Leave the Tories high and dry while every other party opposes it making them look the ones without a clue. It would take some balls though to ditch traditional labour voters. And it would be very wreckless, which is why I'm not a politician. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 1, 2017 29 minutes ago, darrenm said: It would take some balls though to ditch traditional labour voters. Possibly, yes. Though they wouldn't be abandoning all of them - not every labour voter in t'north voted leave. Many would/might go back to labour if it starts representing them properly again. My feeling/observation is that loads of labour people in the north think Corbyn (and by association the rest of Labour) is a plum, not because of his (lukewarm) pro EU utterings, but because he's a kind of Islington lentil munching squabbler who likes fannying around about stuff that doesn't matter (to them). But I might be hopelessly wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 1, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: won't they just revert to being a red Tory party à la Blair ? To an extent, yes. But only to an extent. The days of politicians doing "cool Britannia" stuff and nodding a football with Keggy are long gone. Miliband didn't fit as a leader, but quite a few (not all) of his aims or ideas were popular, and some have even been snaffled by May (who's since dropped some, again). But a less showy version of "New Labour" a bit more leftish would do well, IMO, with the right leader. Blair won elections. People liked what he did, till he went all God bothery and warmongery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 How I long for the glory days of Gordon Brown. And would Labour now be in power if the other Miliband became leader? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, darrenm said: it would be very wreckless Wreckless is exactly what they aren't, in more ways than one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Wreckless is exactly what they aren't, in more ways than one I honestly can't believe I've done that. With the values I hold myself to, my life has now lost all meaning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 32 minutes ago, darrenm said: How I long for the glory days of Gordon Brown. And would Labour now be in power if the other Miliband became leader? not even Gordon Brown longs for the days of Gordon Brown Miliband would have been interesting , I doubt he'd have won outright in 2015 but possibly we'd have a labour coalition government about now with lefty protestors on the streets protesting against his compliance with torture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I think pretty much all the Labour ministers would have struggled to earn the trust of the voters on the economy (rightly or wrongly, not trying to start an argument, just stating the perception). Also I can't see anyone overturning the SNP, so at best it would have been a hung parliament with the Tories the biggest party. I think it'll be like that for a long, long time, unless Labour can clone Barack Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: I think pretty much all the Labour ministers would have struggled to earn the trust of the voters on the economy (rightly or wrongly, not trying to start an argument, just stating the perception). Also I can't see anyone overturning the SNP, so at best it would have been a hung parliament with the Tories the biggest party. I think it'll be like that for a long, long time, unless Labour can clone Barack Obama. You think the UK are ready to elect a Muslim as PM ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: You think the UK are ready to elect a Muslim as PM ? Actually once I posted it I thought an English Obama is probably David Cameron so wouldn't make any difference to Labour. Pig eater, pig shagger, pig avoider, I think the British people would elect pretty much anyone, except Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Good to see Abbott making the tough decisions between obeying Corbyn or honouring her constituency which voted remain by...Pulling a sicky and missing the vote, after a night on the G&Ts in parliament. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Few rumours going around that Corbyn has set his exit date ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: Few rumours going around that Corbyn has set his exit date ? The day after the Stoke by election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted February 9, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 9, 2017 21 hours ago, tonyh29 said: Few rumours going around that Corbyn has set his exit date ? Is he leaving Europe? One can hope... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 The next Labour Leader resigned from the shadow Cabinet last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 43 minutes ago, Jon said: The next Labour Leader resigned from the shadow Cabinet last night. I reckon the Tories would be very worried about Clive Lewis taking over. He has socialist values but seems more able of putting them across in a way that will make potential swing voters take notice unlike Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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