blandy Posted January 11, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 11, 2017 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: And then because they don't think of these things as left wing, they vote for parties who are patently opposed to them, but couch their opposition in confusing rhetoric that makes them sound sympathetic to those things they ideologically abhor. "A shared society" that sounds nice. They being maybe, what a third of the country, perhaps? Broken system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Tristram Hunt MP (Stoke on Trent Central) has quit triggering a by election. His seat had the highest percentage turnout for Brexit in the country. Should be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I think the seat is still safe , I don't see Stoke turning Tory and UKIP are finished more interesting is if any other Labour MP's are going to follow suit ... anyone got the Labour Party in Deadpool 2017 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I know it's small numbers and I know it's local council seats, but a 41% swing isn't to be scoffed at. Especially in Sunderland which is a strong Leave area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Yeah that's really bad.But I think a lot of the slide has been arrested and Labour are fighting back. The recent policies that seem to get a bashing on here seem pretty popular almost everywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 13, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 13, 2017 We'll see. Corbyn has the stench of death around him, he's poisoned the image of Labour to the extent nobody is going to vote for them IMO. The slide will continue to their baseline hardcore will vote for anything with a red rosette foundation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, darrenm said: The recent policies that seem to get a bashing on here seem pretty popular almost everywhere else. There are policies?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Awol said: There are policies?! I think they have them now Jezza's agreed to be populist left and play the percentages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 They have so many policies, they've got a separate one for each news cycle. 2 hours ago, Awol said: Tristram Hunt MP (Stoke on Trent Central) has quit triggering a by election. His seat had the highest percentage turnout for Brexit in the country. Should be interesting. *sung to the tune of Postman Pat* 'Tristram Hunt, Tristram Hunt Is an ignorant . . .' 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, Awol said: There are policies?! they aren't policies until they are set in stone ..... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 18 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: They have so many policies, they've got a separate one for each news cycle. *sung to the tune of Postman Pat* 'Tristram Hunt, Tristram Hunt Is an ignorant . . .' I didn't even rate him as a historian and I'm a history geek. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, darrenm said: I think they have them now Jezza's agreed to be populist left and play the percentages. Far better to stick his hugely unpopular principals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 57 minutes ago, Chindie said: Corbyn has the stench of death around him It's not often in a politics thread that a single line can sum up a person. Brilliant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Ken comparing Corbyn to Trump and Farage I'm sure that's just the analogy to use after Corbyn has given his latest reboot attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Ken comparing Corbyn to Trump and Farage I'm sure that's just the analogy to use after Corbyn has given his latest reboot attempt. At least he didn't mention Hitler... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted January 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2017 I've just heard a very good section from a speech today by JC to the Fabian Society. He suggests the tories need to buck up their ideas on health. They need to properly fund social care. A Labour government would get social care for the elderly properly funded and sort out expensive poorly run private care homes. A bit more of that please Jezza. It's the stuff of important easy wins against the nasty party focused on profit and privatisation. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 21 hours ago, chrisp65 said: I've just heard a very good section from a speech today by JC to the Fabian Society. He suggests the tories need to buck up their ideas on health. They need to properly fund social care. A Labour government would get social care for the elderly properly funded and sort out expensive poorly run private care homes. A bit more of that please Jezza. It's the stuff of important easy wins against the nasty party focused on profit and privatisation. I was saying the other day, although the NHS and social care is an obvious win for Labour, now more than ever they need to make it their number one issue along side Brexit. As has been hinted at earlier, even confused Conservative voters consider the NHS middle of the road and want to protect it. In fact they need it and need Labour more than they realise. It's getting them to realise which is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, PompeyVillan said: I was saying the other day, although the NHS and social care is an obvious win for Labour, now more than ever they need to make it their number one issue along side Brexit. As has been hinted at earlier, even confused Conservative voters consider the NHS middle of the road and want to protect it. In fact they need it and need Labour more than they realise. It's getting them to realise which is the problem. I'm not sure Brexit needs to be their number one ? It's going to happen and Labour aren't going to stop it , to all extents it should rank about 593rd on their list i agree about social care , something needs to be done , I suspect Corbyns solution will be scrap Trident and tax the rich , neither of which are likely to get him elected ... the concern is He wants to re-nationalise the railways and utility companies , save the NHS by chucking billions at it and then improve social care .... where is the money coming from ? Even if we do opt for trident subs without the trident , it's still not going to be enough Edited January 15, 2017 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: I'm not sure Brexit needs to be their number one ? It's going to happen and Labour aren't going to stop it , to all extents it should rank about 593rd on their list i agree about social care , something needs to be done , I suspect Corbyns solution will be scrap Trident and tax the rich , neither of which are likely to get him elected ... the concern is He wants to re-nationalise the railways and utility companies , save the NHS by chucking billions at it and then improve social care .... where is the money coming from ? Even if we do opt for trident subs without the trident , it's still not going to be enough Just on your first para, the purpose of policy as an opposition is not only to stop the government, but to you place yourself in a position where you can credibly say 'I told you so' in the future. The logical Labour Brexit position would be to favour the softest of soft Brexits, and then compare all future economic damage to that idealised position. It doesn't matter if that 'soft Brexit' deal is even a possibility, they just have to pretend that it is with sufficient conviction. Edited January 15, 2017 by HanoiVillan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 15 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The logical Labour Brexit position would be to favour the softest of soft Brexits, and then compare all future economic damage to that idealised position. It doesn't matter if that 'soft Brexit' deal is even a possibility, they just have to pretend that it is with sufficient conviction. It's a shame they aren't doing that. There's a huge supporter base (48%+16/17 year olds who turn 18 soon) there to be won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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