HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Not really a fan, because I think the questions it asks lead most respondents into the bottom-left corner, but for whatever it's worth, I'm more right-wing than most of you apparently at one square to the left and two squares down from the Greens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Not really a fan, because I think the questions it asks lead most respondents into the bottom-left corner, but for whatever it's worth, I'm more right-wing than most of you apparently at one square to the left and two squares down from the Greens. fascist scumbag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Well it's a bit of fun and like all social sciences not really very scientific!! The obvious bias in the questions are obvious but also for us Brits the likelihood of ending up on the left hand side is always going to be high with our thoughts towards centralised medicare for example. What it is good at is highlighting just how far away from some people's sensibilities most major political parties are and of course how much VT is inhabited by a bunch of tough talking Ghandi wannabies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2017 It's a bit since I've done the test, but as others have said, I seem to end up in the same place every time. Sort of a sanity check, I guess. Anywhere, I'm where people are supposed to be and everyone else is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coda Posted February 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2017 I answered as honestly as I could. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 49 minutes ago, blandy said: It's a bit since I've done the test, but as others have said, I seem to end up in the same place every time. Sort of a sanity check, I guess. Anywhere, I'm where people are supposed to be and everyone else is wrong. How in God's name am I more right-wing than you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2017 Libertarian has become probably the most confusing of all of the labels we put onto politics. It sounds good right? It's got the word liberal in it - it's about allowing things, being understanding and that sort of stuff - however, as with a lot of these labels it's changed a lot depending on who it's being applied to. You have to consider a lot of these naming conventions against both set of constituents that influence modern politics - people and markets. For People. Libertarian sort of (to me anyway) represents a set of ideals where people are free to be who they want to be within a framework of law that's not restrictive of behaviours that don't harm others, it's inclusive, it's protective it's all nicey nicey. For Corporations on the other hand and for Markets, Libertarian means the abolition of rules and laws that might control corporate behaviour - now, given that corporate entities and markets are essentially totailitarian organisations, when you give them the liberty to follow their natures and their desires, they produce the opposite, a dictatorship based around profit, with no care for those things that give people freedom, it's all nasty nasty. So Libertarian means in favour of the freedom of people to live according to their own rules and in favour of companies being able to impose their rules on people. Opposites. At the same time. Being a Liberal is a largely left wing idea, being a Libertarian is a fundamentally right wing idea. Or the other way around. Or something. Globalisation is another one - for People it means the freedom to move and share and bring a sort of global standard, it's about people becoming a whole body with protections, rights and a more equal system for all. For Corporations it's about the removal of national interference, national banks, protections, rights and anything that might benefit an 'all' when it could instead produce profit for a market. Globalisation is two opposites with the same word, it's a left wing ideal and a right wing utopia. I hear often that the Left have become anti globalisation and I guess it's true, but I think it's very important to understand which globalisation you're talking about. At some point power left politics and moved upstairs to these huge corporate and market structures that don't exist within the influence of national bodies, don't respect or encourage democracy and have huge influence on political power - we haven't really invented a language to counter that, or indeed a political system and instead we try to use the old ones and end up confused. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2017 No massive surprise there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2017 Whereabouts on that chart does the nation sit as a voting entity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 10, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 10, 2017 I recall a poster ending up with the most laughably right Political Compass result I've seen without someone taking the piss. Completely in line with expectations mind. I always come in the same region on it... Which now seems bang on the Greens, who I'd not vote for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 24 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Libertarian has become probably the most confusing of all of the labels we put onto politics. It sounds good right? It's got the word liberal in it - it's about allowing things, being understanding and that sort of stuff - however, as with a lot of these labels it's changed a lot depending on who it's being applied to. You have to consider a lot of these naming conventions against both set of constituents that influence modern politics - people and markets. For People. Libertarian sort of (to me anyway) represents a set of ideals where people are free to be who they want to be within a framework of law that's not restrictive of behaviours that don't harm others, it's inclusive, it's protective it's all nicey nicey. For Corporations on the other hand and for Markets, Libertarian means the abolition of rules and laws that might control corporate behaviour - now, given that corporate entities and markets are essentially totailitarian organisations, when you give them the liberty to follow their natures and their desires, they produce the opposite, a dictatorship based around profit, with no care for those things that give people freedom, it's all nasty nasty. So Libertarian means in favour of the freedom of people to live according to their own rules and in favour of companies being able to impose their rules on people. Opposites. At the same time. Being a Liberal is a largely left wing idea, being a Libertarian is a fundamentally right wing idea. Or the other way around. Or something. Globalisation is another one - for People it means the freedom to move and share and bring a sort of global standard, it's about people becoming a whole body with protections, rights and a more equal system for all. For Corporations it's about the removal of national interference, national banks, protections, rights and anything that might benefit an 'all' when it could instead produce profit for a market. Globalisation is two opposites with the same word, it's a left wing ideal and a right wing utopia. I hear often that the Left have become anti globalisation and I guess it's true, but I think it's very important to understand which globalisation you're talking about. At some point power left politics and moved upstairs to these huge corporate and market structures that don't exist within the influence of national bodies, don't respect or encourage democracy and have huge influence on political power - we haven't really invented a language to counter that, or indeed a political system and instead we try to use the old ones and end up confused. So, so right, and as far as your point on globalisation specifically is concerned it was one of the more surprising things of the referendum for me. That socialists could side with UKIP or that Greens could sign up to the neo-con economic agenda on this single issue. And all based as you say on the shared belief in a word with different meanings for completely opposing opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 About right for me I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 21 minutes ago, Chindie said: I recall a poster ending up with the most laughably right Political Compass result I've seen without someone taking the piss. Completely in line with expectations mind. I always come in the same region on it... Which now seems bang on the Greens, who I'd not vote for. I don't want to post on poster but I believe their username started with m and ended with antis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 10, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 10, 2017 You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 The aforementioned Vosem Chart, so I think @coda you'd acually be a centrist anarchist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 10, 2017 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: How in God's name am I more right-wing than you? Possibly, (because you asked) because you think have equated me disagreeing with Corbyn or with the notion of Universal income and such like, with me being right wing (or more towards that) than you? Whereas my views on him and some of his stuff are based around competence or practicality. i.e. "it won't work" or "he's utterly effing useless" isn't the same as "it's/he's too left wing for me" - it's about practicality in the real world, for me. Or maybe for some other reason. Must admit I hadn't thought from long term reading of your posts that there was much difference on a left-right scale between us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ermie123 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I find it weird that Hitler (fascism) is demonised yet Stalin (communism/socialism) is not. I think history nails it as Hitler was in championship in comparison to Stalin, Lennin and Mao. Funny as well that none of the communists/socialists spend their holidays in North Korea or Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 33 minutes ago, blandy said: Possibly, (because you asked) because you think have equated me disagreeing with Corbyn or with the notion of Universal income and such like, with me being right wing (or more towards that) than you? Whereas my views on him and some of his stuff are based around competence or practicality. i.e. "it won't work" or "he's utterly effing useless" isn't the same as "it's/he's too left wing for me" - it's about practicality in the real world, for me. Or maybe for some other reason. Must admit I hadn't thought from long term reading of your posts that there was much difference on a left-right scale between us. I think I probably did a poor job signposting it, but I was joking, and the seeming fact that most of the time it seems like we can't get a cigarette paper between our opinions was the punchline. (Apart from the basic income, of course!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, ermie123 said: I find it weird that Hitler (fascism) is demonised yet Stalin (communism/socialism) is not. I think history nails it as Hitler was in championship in comparison to Stalin, Lennin and Mao. Funny as well that none of the communists/socialists spend their holidays in North Korea or Cuba. What on earth are you going on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, ermie123 said: I find it weird that Hitler (fascism) is demonised yet Stalin (communism/socialism) is not. I think history nails it as Hitler was in championship in comparison to Stalin, Lennin and Mao. Funny as well that none of the communists/socialists spend their holidays in North Korea or Cuba. Who exactly doesn't critiicise Stalin? Is this gotcha line from the early 1950s? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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