Dodgyknees Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Just now, Rodders said: fixed tbf. So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted May 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2022 just had a cheeky fiver on andy burnham next PM @ 100/1. probably unlikely but good odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, tomav84 said: just had a cheeky fiver on andy burnham next PM @ 100/1. probably unlikely but good odds. Unless he's planning to quit his current Manchester roles, stand in one of the upcoming by-elections, become an MP and then immediately become LOTO, then win the next election with Johnson still in post throughout all that. He's 100/1 for a good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 But the daily mail and the sun said all politicians are the same. I love this move by Starmer. It feels weird seeing integrity being shown. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) Dunno. If he quits, it isn't going to make Johnson quit - he'll just ride it out, while Labour are in disarray. And I wouldn't have thought Labour would want Johnson to quit, anyway - the longer he stays there the more damage he does to his own party. A leadership change (for either party) would be bad for Labour, but good for the Tories. Edited May 9, 2022 by mjmooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 "Do you accept you jumped the gun when you said the PM should resign when he was being investigated?" Starmer waves hands and answers a different question about the PM being issued a fine "But he had not been fined when you said he should resign?" Starmer starts talking about something else entirely in the hope nobody notices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Could be a cute move this. He’s offered his resignation if he’s found to have broken the rules. However, this incident has already been investigated once, and no offence was found to have been committed. Remember, this was a bona fide working meeting in an MPs constituency. Food was provided along with a beer within those parameters. Johnson was found not guilty when pictured doing just this in No 10s garden. Starmer will have been shown offering to do the decent thing if found guilty of the same offence for which Johnson has already been fined. Puts Johnson in an awkward position if Starmer is found not guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 tbf, the Downing Street parties were blatantly against the rules so it was clear they broke the rules on multiple occasions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted May 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2022 I read the opinion of one barrister who felt that, contrary to the Mail's opinion, the fact there was a meal planned in as part of the working day actually enhances the claim that it was part of the working day. The Mail seem to think it proves the opposite for some reason. I am of the opinion that the fact it was planned as part of the day means it wasn't a "party" and means that there should be no fine. The only caveat to that is if they took it too far and it became a massive booze-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 I think the tipple thread during this period demonstrated that we were all having a beer in the workplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Seat68 said: I think the tipple thread during this period demonstrated that we were all having a beer in the workplace. Are you suggesting we’re all doctors, nurses and teachers? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 9, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2022 Expecting honour from a man who has none is daft. If Starmer is fined and resigns, Johnson will just view it as stupidity and weakness on his behalf. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Just now, Chindie said: Expecting honour from a man who has none is daft. If Starmer is fined and resigns, Johnson will just view it as stupidity and weakness on his behalf. and so will Boris’s supporters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Genie said: and so will Boris’s supporters. It's like Trump supporters who were proud he didn't pay his taxes like a fool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Chindie said: Expecting honour from a man who has none is daft. If Starmer is fined and resigns, Johnson will just view it as stupidity and weakness on his behalf. Yep. He’ll definitely see it as victory. He’s no intention of going for anything. All he’s interested in is power and holding onto it at all costs. He has no shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2022 I'm sure he's very confident that he won't be fined and in that context this is a very good way to highlight the lack of integrity in the Prime Minister. The lesson for Starmer is that cosying up the right wing press is a waste of time - they'll still stab him in the back at the first possible opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, Chindie said: Expecting honour from a man who has none is daft. If Starmer is fined and resigns, Johnson will just view it as stupidity and weakness on his behalf. You are correct 34 minutes ago, Genie said: and so will Boris’s supporters. You are also correct But in the venn diagram of potential Tory voters, this is actually a very small circle inside a much larger one and all those in the much larger circle and not in the small one will view it slightly differently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2022 27 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: The lesson for Starmer is that cosying up the right wing press is a waste of time - they'll still stab him in the back at the first possible opportunity. Spoiler This reason ber and curry night is a thing, is because someone took that photo. The press will feed off any scraps they are given, especially when it comes to the Labour Party Who took the photo? IIRC it was a left wing current or ex-member of the Labour Party who then gave the photo to "The Right WIng Press. " The enemy of my enemy is my friend an all that. So it isn't entirely fair to blame the whole thing on the RWP (not the Revolutionary Workers Party). You may be of the opinion that highlighting any rule-breaking by anyone is perfectly OK. You would have a very valid point but I'd have thought that should have been done through the Police and not the RWP EDIT: Ignore the above it is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, bickster said: Who took the photo? IIRC it was a left wing current or ex-member of the Labour Party who then gave the photo to "The Right WIng Press. " The enemy of my enemy is my friend an all that. I read earlier that it was James Delingpole's son. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 9, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, ml1dch said: I read earlier that it was James Delingpole's son. Ah so it was, I'd read differently earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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