Zatman Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 think we won at Etihad once under MON though, im sure Maloney scored a free kick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Ok before the takeover though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 On the contrast, we also lost to Swansea, Newcastle, Stoke, Southampton (6-1), Burnley, and were slaughtered in front of billions live on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 They didn't turn up and they were beaten before they even stepped onto the pitch IMO. I've never seen a group of players so mentally fragile before in all my time supporting Villa. The confidence they built up pre Southampton was taken away from them by the time the full time whistle went and once they realised they were safe going into the Burnley game it was difficult to switch it on again. I agree with the premise that Arsenal could have done that to anyone, I'm not sure many are disputing that, but the point many are making is that we didn't even turn up and have a go at challenging that. That's what you get for the most part though, from a set of players who on the whole are a load of rubbish, and who have been fighting relegation for all of the last four years. Sherwood did brilliantly to get what he did out of them, but there's always the distinct possibility that players will revert to being crap, when they are crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think there will be big changes to the U21 set up if Sherwood remains in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think there will be big changes to the U21 set up if Sherwood remains in charge In what way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted June 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think there will be big changes to the U21 set up if Sherwood remains in charge In what way? Most of them will be playing in the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myb Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 One thing i really dont buy is this 'not motivated for the cup final' nonsense. It is said as if fact. If we play to 100% of our ability and they also do the same (as they did) then they batter us. Don't mistake them and their £££££££££££££s of players turning up on cup final day for us not being motivated. It's just rubbish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I never said they weren't motivated, I said the pressure had been lifted and subconsciously they weren't playing for their lives any more. Every single player would've wanted to win, but I think the pressure lifting just flipped a switch and focus went Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I never said they weren't motivated, I said the pressure had been lifted and subconsciously they weren't playing for their lives any more. Every single player would've wanted to win, but I think the pressure lifting just flipped a switch and focus went I don't buy that sorry. The pressure hadn't been lifted against Southampton and we were battered. I think that game did for us in the final to be honest. It completely slaugtered all of the new found confidence, and the players almost to a man reverted to type. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think the smaller club is always up against more than just better players. Nobody really discusses this, but I think sleep is a big factor. The night before, the Villa players all went to bed knowing that the next day might be the biggest occasion in their football lives, whereas it was almost like just another game for the Arsenal players, who probably all stayed at home. I'd bet a lot that the Arsenal players all had an hour or two more sleep than our players, minimum. And that's how it looked on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I never said they weren't motivated, I said the pressure had been lifted and subconsciously they weren't playing for their lives any more. Every single player would've wanted to win, but I think the pressure lifting just flipped a switch and focus went I don't buy that sorry. The pressure hadn't been lifted against Southampton and we were battered. I think that game did for us in the final to be honest. It completely slaugtered all of the new found confidence, and the players almost to a man reverted to type. The pressure was gone after west Ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted June 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2015 The pressure was gone after west Ham Nah. Needed a win against Soton to guarantee safety. As it turns out, results elsewhere did that for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) The pressure was gone after west Ham Nah. Needed a win against Soton to guarantee safety. As it turns out, results elsewhere did that for us. I know on paper we did, BUT it needed a highly unlikely sequence of events for us to go down after that result Edited June 9, 2015 by P3te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) I think there will be big changes to the U21 set up if Sherwood remains in charge Hopefully a new manager for a start. Edited June 9, 2015 by Isa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The pressure was gone after west Ham Nah. Needed a win against Soton to guarantee safety. As it turns out, results elsewhere did that for us. I know on paper we did, BUT it needed a highly unlikely sequence of events for us to go down after that result It didn't. To say we were safe after West Ham is just wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted June 9, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted June 9, 2015 Nah. Needed a win against Soton to guarantee safety. As it turns out, results elsewhere did that for us. I know on paper we did, BUT it needed a highly unlikely sequence of events for us to go down after that result You mean the kind of unlikely sequence that saw Leceister and Sunderland pull free of the bottom 3 and eventually finish above us? The pressure was there, as was the confidence.... ... until full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think there will be big changes to the U21 set up if Sherwood remains in charge Hopefully a new manager for a start. Yep however much a club man Cowans is, he doesn't seem to have done well with the u21s. Sherwood knows u21s set ups so hopefully will see a desired knock on effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I think there will be big changes to the U21 set up if Sherwood remains in charge Hopefully a new manager for a start. Yep however much a club man Cowans is, he doesn't seem to have done well with the u21s. Sherwood knows u21s set ups so hopefully will see a desired knock on effect Been saying for a while that we seem to have had a lot of success with underage teams (Next gen) but surely the point is to get better individuals for the first team, we seem to have been doing the opposite for a while, having a team who together are worth more than the sum of the parts, when all we really want is one part that will be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 You can't win anything with kids Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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