lapal_fan Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Yup, we've played Spurs about 4 xmas's in a row now. The fixtures are fixed to make policing the easiest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted October 9, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2014 The only way it would work is to have play offs for champions league places the top 3 qualify automatically the next 8 teams playoff for the last place so it keeps the league interesting even at the bottom. Obviously they won't do this because the teams they sell the league on won't be playing abroad as they will qualify automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 9, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted October 9, 2014 But like I said, even if that is true (which again I'm not sure it is, it's all speculation) it doesn't change the fact that the core concept of a league remains intact. A "home" game abroad is a fundamental change to that concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 9, 2014 Moderator Share Posted October 9, 2014 Yes and I agree, if by integrity of the league you mean structural integrity but on the wider use of the term I think it lost that a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briggsy Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Since the start of the premier league a lot of things have changed that have ruined football but for me if we get to a situation where half the teams play 19 home games and the other half play 18 then its one of the biggest nails in the coffin of all How long before there's a scenario where 2 teams like Hull and Southampton are battling each other for relegation, they play out a half paced, jet lagged 1-1 draw in Beijing in November then in the return game in April at St Mary's Southampton have the crowd behind them and win the game, Southampton finish on 38pts and stay up, Hull go down on 37pts with the extra home game having a major influence on who gets relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 It's no secret that the season's fixtures are planned to allow for policing etc . They aren't just generated randomly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 (edited) so you mean when we play man city, everton, newcastle, arsenal at home its not random that the baggies play man utd, liverpool, sunderland, spurs away? they havent done it this season so im assuming us / them dont cause as much trouble as they think Edited October 9, 2014 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 It's no secret that the season's fixtures are planned to allow for policing etc . They aren't just generated randomly. Absolutely. I don't think it's necessarily a conspiracy either, nor that it affects the integrity of the league. there's an article about how they do the fixtures here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Its actually a really complicated process that has to factor in your local rivals etc . Iirc thay are not as bothered as they used to be by potential hooligan problems anymore though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 9, 2014 Moderator Share Posted October 9, 2014 That isn't what I was talking about with fixture manipulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Fixture manipulation happens, how many "grand slam Sundays" did sky fabricate so arsenal man Utd Liverpool and Chelsea played each other on a sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I'm not sure why they feel the need to do this. Clubs are already selling out NFL stadiums for meaningless summertime friendlies. Man Utd-Real Madrid sold out Univeristy of Michigan's 109,000 seater in July. 109,000 people to watch a friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 I'm not sure why they feel the need to do this. Clubs are already selling out NFL stadiums for meaningless summertime friendlies. Man Utd-Real Madrid sold out Univeristy of Michigan's 109,000 seater in July. 109,000 people to watch a friendly. Ah, but how much money do the Premier League make from these friendlies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 Make the community shield a post season tournament for 1st, 2nd, FA Cup and League CupCup winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 said before that its all well and good the Man United, Liverpools playing in Middle East and USA but cant see many football fans in Tokyo, New York or Abu Dhabi getting excited for Burnley vs Stoke or West Brom vs QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Could they do two games at the same stadium in one day? I think that's happened preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Could they do two games at the same stadium in one day? I think that's happened preseason. Yeah, definitely. Think when we played that tournament with Chelsea, Blackburn and Kitchee played one after the other. I don't think this thing works personally, it's nothing like the NFL coming over here. Because their league is balanced, most teams have done well at one point or another so they've all got fans over here. Because only 5 or 6 teams have been really relevant in the past few decades in the Premier League, how many fans are going to turn up to watch Newcastle v Palace or Hull v Swansea? None, I'd imagine. Have any 2 teams played each other abroad, where one of the teams isn't United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool? and what were the attendances like? Not going to count Villa-Blackburn, because I'd imagine the 30k or so people turned up to watch the local side and Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 happens a lot in preseason, the old Amsterdam tournament the NFL here makes an effort to still create a "home" team atmosphere and from what i can tell the atmosphere at wembley isnt comparable to how crowds are in the states it would be very interesting to see what the prem would do with newcastle v palace, i dont think the prem as a league is anywhere near as popular as we are led to believe, i really struggled to find places showing us vs arsenal and chelsea in tokyo and when i did find the arsenal game i was the only person really watching it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumerican Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 the NFL here makes an effort to still create a "home" team atmosphere and from what i can tell the atmosphere at wembley isnt comparable to how crowds are in the states The game on the 9th of Nov will be the first time Jacksonville sell out a home game in ages, strangely ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 13, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted October 13, 2014 happens a lot in preseason, the old Amsterdam tournament the NFL here makes an effort to still create a "home" team atmosphere and from what i can tell the atmosphere at wembley isnt comparable to how crowds are in the states Yep, they do as much as they can. But it doesn't really work because there's so many fans in the stadium that don't support the home team. Which is exactly when this idea would be the least fair. Like I said previously, if we ended up playing our home game vs Man United in, say, China, do you think there would be any hope in hell of that being anything close to a home atmosphere for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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