villa-revolution Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Edit: MOMS post with video of goal: http://www.myoldmansaid.com/villa-boy-libor-kozak-scores-italy-international-duty/ That was a quality goal from start to finish. Reminded me of the disallowed goal scored by Danny Graham recently for Hull against Man City at the Etihad who ran in to score from an offside position when he should have just checked & held his run. This shows that Kozak is a very intelligent player who knows how to time his runs into the box & finish with aplomb. Bring on the geordies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 4-4-2 is a retrograde formation that leaves you short in the middle of the park, which happens to be where games are generally won or lost in modern football. Don't see why there is still so much clamour for it still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I dont really like 4-4-2 either. But there are variants for two central strikers. It will be fascinating to see what Lambert plays this weekend. I have feeling he is planning a surprise formation of some kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myko Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 In response to KJP, I'd rather see gabby on one wing and bacuna/tonev on the other... Don't personally think Andreas is too effective in wide midfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooh-Ah Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Who even plays 4-4-2 anymore? Who put in that cross for Kozak's goal? Quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 We will not play 4-4-2 against Newcastle, especially against their midfield, it would be tactical suicide. Doubt Kozak will start, out of all our International players, he's probably had it the toughest, so expect him on bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Who even plays 4-4-2 anymore? Stoke... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeVillan Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I have a feeling this guy will be a huge hit with the villa faithfulNot the women though he's one ugly fella (I care not btw) He's the white Benteke.. they have the same eyes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 11, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted September 11, 2013 Who even plays 4-4-2 anymore? Stoke... But we are the n... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 11, 2013 Moderator Share Posted September 11, 2013 Who even plays 4-4-2 anymore? Stoke... The Republic of Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdomlahor Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) If you have the correct players, 4-4-2 is great. I think it was Wenger who said that it cannot be matched in terms of coverage of the pitch. City played it against Newcastle when they beat them 4-0 and looked outstanding. Edited September 11, 2013 by adz.villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 exactly right. We would be more effective in a 442 with Gabby and Benteke upfront provided we had two wingers and a strong DM. Since we dont (and as PL found out last season) a 433/451 works better with the players we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) I always thought it was more a case of Lambert wanting to play a 4-3-3 and that's why he bought the players he did in the first place. I'm not a fan of 4-4-2. It can work as state above, but against the better teams we'd get shown up. We played with wingers under MON and whereas we were great on the counter-attack, it wasn't ever going to be a formation that brought sustainable success, as we'd give up most of the possession in midfield. I much prefer watching us play now than I did under MON. I hated watching us go 1-0 up early on and then sitting back and letting the opposition attack us for the rest of the game until the obvious happened and they'd break us down. More 4-3-3 please. Edited September 11, 2013 by Ginko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Have seen/heard a fair bit about Kozak's goal scoring record, most notably the fact that while he scored 10 in 11 in Europa League last season, he also managed none in 19 apps in Serie A last season! Thought I'd look a bit more at this, and found the following quite interesting (dunno if anyone has mentioned this before here...) Career minutes per goal (from transfermarkt, includes International and youth internationl games in some cases): Benteke - 171 Weimann - 173 (including Reserves/U19 league games! 216 not including these) Kozak - 177 Helenius - 181 Bent - 182 Agbonlahor - 335 If this is anything to go by, with Kozak (and Helenius) we may well have got ourselves a couple of Benteke-esque bargains this transfer window. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 More 4-4-3 please. That would certainly improve our home form 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 If you have the correct players, 4-4-2 is great. I think it was Wenger who said that it cannot be matched in terms of coverage of the pitch. City played it against Newcastle when they beat them 4-0 and looked outstanding. On paper yes but in reality there was so much interchange and free movement that it never really operated as a 4-4-2. Silva (as he does) spent lots of time drifting inside. Aguero had quite a free role also and Dzeko ran the channels quite often. Similar to Spain when they used to play Villa and Torres together. It was listed as a 4-4-2 but in reality it never operated as such. Rather it was a fluid and interchangeable system that cannot really be summarised by a few numbers. We haven't got the players with anywhere near the intelligence to play it like that. As for the Wenger comment, if he did actually say that then it is strange that he never makes any sort of effort to play 4-4-2 himself. Actions speak louder then words and all that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooh-Ah Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Who even plays 4-4-2 anymore? Stoke... The Republic of Ireland God can we not talk about that shower. Does Hughes still have Stoke playing 4-4-2 though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Who even plays 4-4-2 anymore? Who put in that cross for Kozak's goal? Quality. Rosicky made a really great pass to Jiracek who delivered the cross. Jiracek is a really good midfielder but he has been injured for nearly a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Who even plays 4-4-2 anymore? Who put in that cross for Kozak's goal? Quality. Rosicky made a really great pass to Jiracek who delivered the cross. Jiracek is a really good midfielder but he has been injured for nearly a year. You guys looking for a new manager now as well. I hear Trapattoni is available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Who even plays 4-4-2 anymore? Who put in that cross for Kozak's goal? Quality. Rosicky made a really great pass to Jiracek who delivered the cross. Jiracek is a really good midfielder but he has been injured for nearly a year. You guys looking for a new manager now as well. I hear Trapattoni is available We will likely go Czech but I honestly wouldn't mind Trapattoni. Anyone would be better than what we had. Bilek was disliked heavily in Czech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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