tommybread Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 As someone who grew up in Southampton, has lots of friends who support the Saints, see them as kind of my second team, and have seen their team get ripped to shreds year on year by the PL's 'big clubs' (just like Villas in recent times), I have no sympathy for Shaw just like I would have none for Delph, Benteke et al. if it happened to them.Would have felt bad if it had happened and he was in a Saints shirt, but representing Man U? Nah, I just cant bring myself to feel sorry for him...Idiotic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 It's sad because a young player who was about to realize his potential at the highest level loses an entire season of development and a chance to do that. Of all the players that moved on from Southampton, Shaw was really the only one whose talent meritted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted September 18, 2015 Moderator Share Posted September 18, 2015 Because he wanted to further his career?Ah, that old one! Its a classic!Playing really well with a team that is on the up and performing excellently for 2 seasons; as soon as a 'big club' comes calling, need to jump ship quicksharp...No mate, don't buy it... If he was still playing in League 1, yeah, I could understand it... but he had already done the hard work getting himself onto the big stage with Lallana and everybody else...If all of those moneygrabbing turncoats like him, Lovren et al had stayed put, they could have been pulling up trees; you never know...It's not like he moved to Newcastle, or Spurs, or Villa. This is Manchester United we're talking about. AND he was in the starting line up. You can't compare this to someone who like Victor Moses who moved to Chelsea and never got a game. He was moving on to the next level. Champions League and 70,000 home fans. He'd have been mental not to take that opportunity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Because he wanted to further his career?Ah, that old one! Its a classic!Playing really well with a team that is on the up and performing excellently for 2 seasons; as soon as a 'big club' comes calling, need to jump ship quicksharp...No mate, don't buy it... If he was still playing in League 1, yeah, I could understand it... but he had already done the hard work getting himself onto the big stage with Lallana and everybody else...If all of those moneygrabbing turncoats like him, Lovren et al had stayed put, they could have been pulling up trees; you never know...It's not like he moved to Newcastle, or Spurs, or Villa. This is Manchester United we're talking about. AND he was in the starting line up. You can't compare this to someone who like Victor Moses who moved to Chelsea and never got a game. He was moving on to the next level. Champions League and 70,000 home fans. He'd have been mental not to take that opportunity.Le Tiss never did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 to be fair to him he's looking at a ten year career with no one in front of him at utd, the £30m and the £100k a week wages make the move look daft but the opportunity was definitely there for him, he should have been first choice last season but let himself down, would have been first choice this season and probably first choice for england next summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) to be fair to him he's looking at a ten year career with no one in front of him at utd, the £30m and the £100k a week wages make the move look daft but the opportunity was definitely there for him, he should have been first choice last season but let himself down, would have been first choice this season and probably first choice for england next summer With no-one in front of him:Until LVG gets sacked and a new manager comes in and signs someone else?Until he spends another 6 months on the sidelines because LVG thinks he was 'overweight' or 'unfit'?If he had stayed at Southampton, he would be an iron-on guaranteed starter in the most competitive league in the world and would have been a legend for the club and indeed the whole city that made him...But just like Clyne, Lallana et al. he jumped ship quicksharp.Could have been a legend to a whole club and city... and that is something I would have respected.Sold his soul and career? Let him get on with it and don't expect sympathy if something bad happens Edited September 18, 2015 by DJ_Villain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 think somebody is outing themselves as a bitter Southampton fan 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 sold his soul or just moved to a bigger club like has been happening since transfers began? if shaw had just been half decent would southampton had stuck by him because he was a local lad and come through their youth team or would they have gone out and bought someone else? its a 2 way street, they'd have bombed him off, as it is he's potentially very good so he's left, southampton have been rewardedif you think shaw has gone to utd because they pay more money than southampton then are wrong, he's gone to utd because they are one of the top 5 teams in the world, they will compete for trophies over his career, he will play champions league and unfortunately his england prospects increase, southampton may have a good team right now but they arent one of english footballs bigger teams, they will be cherry picked, its inevitable, players will join utd and liverpoolive got no problem with people criticising delph and sterling, or moses and begovic, or players that do move sideways chasing money, but shaw has made a huge leap forward hereby your logic in criticising shaw why arent you criticising westwood for not staying at crewe, gestede for not stopping at blackburn, amavi for not stopping at nice? or clyne for not being at palace any more? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 think somebody is outing themselves as a bitter Southampton fanNot at all. VTID. But sympathise with the saints as they have been torn apart like we have previously been in recent years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 sold his soul or just moved to a bigger club like has been happening since transfers began? if shaw had just been half decent would southampton had stuck by him because he was a local lad and come through their youth team or would they have gone out and bought someone else? its a 2 way street, they'd have bombed him off, as it is he's potentially very good so he's left, southampton have been rewarded if you think shaw has gone to utd because they pay more money than southampton then are wrong, he's gone to utd because they are one of the top 5 teams in the world, they will compete for trophies over his career, he will play champions league and unfortunately his england prospects increase, southampton may have a good team right now but they arent one of english footballs bigger teams, they will be cherry picked, its inevitable, players will join utd and liverpool ive got no problem with people criticising delph and sterling, or moses and begovic, or players that do move sideways chasing money, but shaw has made a huge leap forward here by your logic in criticising shaw why arent you criticising westwood for not staying at crewe, gestede for not stopping at blackburn, amavi for not stopping at nice? or clyne for not being at palace any more? Came here to make the exact same Westwood analogy . Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 sold his soul or just moved to a bigger club like has been happening since transfers began? if shaw had just been half decent would southampton had stuck by him because he was a local lad and come through their youth team or would they have gone out and bought someone else? its a 2 way street, they'd have bombed him off, as it is he's potentially very good so he's left, southampton have been rewardedif you think shaw has gone to utd because they pay more money than southampton then are wrong, he's gone to utd because they are one of the top 5 teams in the world, they will compete for trophies over his career, he will play champions league and unfortunately his england prospects increase, southampton may have a good team right now but they arent one of english footballs bigger teams, they will be cherry picked, its inevitable, players will join utd and liverpoolive got no problem with people criticising delph and sterling, or moses and begovic, or players that do move sideways chasing money, but shaw has made a huge leap forward hereby your logic in criticising shaw why arent you criticising westwood for not staying at crewe, gestede for not stopping at blackburn, amavi for not stopping at nice? or clyne for not being at palace any more? Crewe to Villa? Easy switch - Two domestic leagues between them, massive step up...Blackburn to Villa? 1 domestic league between themNice to Villa? French league to Premier league - No brainer...Regular football at Palace and/or Southampton - What is so bad about that? Not exactly the 'Dog and Duck' is it? Is he signing on to supplement his income? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) sold his soul or just moved to a bigger club like has been happening since transfers began? if shaw had just been half decent would southampton had stuck by him because he was a local lad and come through their youth team or would they have gone out and bought someone else? its a 2 way street, they'd have bombed him off, as it is he's potentially very good so he's left, southampton have been rewarded if you think shaw has gone to utd because they pay more money than southampton then are wrong, he's gone to utd because they are one of the top 5 teams in the world, they will compete for trophies over his career, he will play champions league and unfortunately his england prospects increase, southampton may have a good team right now but they arent one of english footballs bigger teams, they will be cherry picked, its inevitable, players will join utd and liverpool ive got no problem with people criticising delph and sterling, or moses and begovic, or players that do move sideways chasing money, but shaw has made a huge leap forward here by your logic in criticising shaw why arent you criticising westwood for not staying at crewe, gestede for not stopping at blackburn, amavi for not stopping at nice? or clyne for not being at palace any more? Came here to make the exact same Westwood analogy . Spot on How is the Westwood analogy from L1 Crewe to Premier League Villa in ANY way comparable to Luke Shaw from Southampton (who were kicking arse and could have made a massive impact in the Premier League) to Man U (who post Fergie, will never be the club they were) in any way the same? Because there was a transfer involved? Edited September 18, 2015 by DJ_Villain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 sold his soul or just moved to a bigger club like has been happening since transfers began? if shaw had just been half decent would southampton had stuck by him because he was a local lad and come through their youth team or would they have gone out and bought someone else? its a 2 way street, they'd have bombed him off, as it is he's potentially very good so he's left, southampton have been rewarded if you think shaw has gone to utd because they pay more money than southampton then are wrong, he's gone to utd because they are one of the top 5 teams in the world, they will compete for trophies over his career, he will play champions league and unfortunately his england prospects increase, southampton may have a good team right now but they arent one of english footballs bigger teams, they will be cherry picked, its inevitable, players will join utd and liverpool ive got no problem with people criticising delph and sterling, or moses and begovic, or players that do move sideways chasing money, but shaw has made a huge leap forward here by your logic in criticising shaw why arent you criticising westwood for not staying at crewe, gestede for not stopping at blackburn, amavi for not stopping at nice? or clyne for not being at palace any more? Came here to make the exact same Westwood analogy . Spot on How is the Westwood analogy from L1 Crewe to Premier League Villa in ANY way comparable to Luke Shaw from Southampton (who were kicking arse and could have made a massive impact in the Premier League) to Man U (who post Fergie, will never be the club they were) in any way the same? Because there was a transfer involved? It's a bit of an exaggeration but it's still very much comparable. The issue I'd imagine is not how big of a jump the move is but the fact that the player decided to take the step up in the first place. Westwood left Crewe to achieve ambitions he could never do in the foreseeable future with Crewe. It's the same with Shaw. Yes Southampton are currently doing well but if you don't think there is a huge gulf between them and the biggest club in the country and that Shaw wasn't making a huge step up then I don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted September 18, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted September 18, 2015 Because he wanted to further his career?Ah, that old one! Its a classic!Playing really well with a team that is on the up and performing excellently for 2 seasons; as soon as a 'big club' comes calling, need to jump ship quicksharp...No mate, don't buy it... If he was still playing in League 1, yeah, I could understand it... but he had already done the hard work getting himself onto the big stage with Lallana and everybody else...If all of those moneygrabbing turncoats like him, Lovren et al had stayed put, they could have been pulling up trees; you never know...It's not like he moved to Newcastle, or Spurs, or Villa. This is Manchester United we're talking about. AND he was in the starting line up. You can't compare this to someone who like Victor Moses who moved to Chelsea and never got a game. He was moving on to the next level. Champions League and 70,000 home fans. He'd have been mental not to take that opportunity.Le Tiss never did...And Le Tiss never furthered his career. There's a middle ground between one club hero and moneygrabbing mercenary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) sold his soul or just moved to a bigger club like has been happening since transfers began? if shaw had just been half decent would southampton had stuck by him because he was a local lad and come through their youth team or would they have gone out and bought someone else? its a 2 way street, they'd have bombed him off, as it is he's potentially very good so he's left, southampton have been rewarded if you think shaw has gone to utd because they pay more money than southampton then are wrong, he's gone to utd because they are one of the top 5 teams in the world, they will compete for trophies over his career, he will play champions league and unfortunately his england prospects increase, southampton may have a good team right now but they arent one of english footballs bigger teams, they will be cherry picked, its inevitable, players will join utd and liverpool ive got no problem with people criticising delph and sterling, or moses and begovic, or players that do move sideways chasing money, but shaw has made a huge leap forward here by your logic in criticising shaw why arent you criticising westwood for not staying at crewe, gestede for not stopping at blackburn, amavi for not stopping at nice? or clyne for not being at palace any more? Came here to make the exact same Westwood analogy . Spot on How is the Westwood analogy from L1 Crewe to Premier League Villa in ANY way comparable to Luke Shaw from Southampton (who were kicking arse and could have made a massive impact in the Premier League) to Man U (who post Fergie, will never be the club they were) in any way the same? Because there was a transfer involved? It's a bit of an exaggeration but it's still very much comparable. The issue I'd imagine is not how big of a jump the move is but the fact that the player decided to take the step up in the first place. Westwood left Crewe to achieve ambitions he could never do in the foreseeable future with Crewe. It's the same with Shaw. Yes Southampton are currently doing well but if you don't think there is a huge gulf between them and the biggest club in the country and that Shaw wasn't making a huge step up then I don't know what to tell you. I don't agree... (At the time) Even given 2/3 years of hard work with the players around him, Westwood would have never have had the opportunity to play against the Man U's, Chelseas and Liverpools of football unless it took a lucky cup draw.Shaw was already there with a wicked group of players who (as facts have proven) were a season from being in European football anyway!The steps were there to be taken.... He just had to dare to want to take them like Le Tissier (who as a pundit, I think is a world class word removed, but as a player is a legend for the way he conducted himself).Its just that he, Lallana and others clearly speak a good game but don't have as much respect for the places that they came from that they like to make people believe...Yeah... Man U are a massive club, granted... but is that an excuse for every player to just drop their tools and **** off a club that made them who they are since they were 12 years old?Le Tissier never did... he isn't exactly a beggar these days... and he is adored by an entire city as a living legend!Must be a wonderful feeling...We obviously disagree, so there is no point arguing... My main point is this: I have don't have enough time in my life to waste it feeling sorry for borderline millionaires who kick a ball for teams that wear colours and logos that I dont have no affinity to Edited September 18, 2015 by DJ_Villain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Because he wanted to further his career?Ah, that old one! Its a classic!Playing really well with a team that is on the up and performing excellently for 2 seasons; as soon as a 'big club' comes calling, need to jump ship quicksharp...No mate, don't buy it... If he was still playing in League 1, yeah, I could understand it... but he had already done the hard work getting himself onto the big stage with Lallana and everybody else...If all of those moneygrabbing turncoats like him, Lovren et al had stayed put, they could have been pulling up trees; you never know...It's not like he moved to Newcastle, or Spurs, or Villa. This is Manchester United we're talking about. AND he was in the starting line up. You can't compare this to someone who like Victor Moses who moved to Chelsea and never got a game. He was moving on to the next level. Champions League and 70,000 home fans. He'd have been mental not to take that opportunity.Le Tiss never did...And Le Tiss never furthered his career. There's a middle ground between one club hero and moneygrabbing mercenary.He is a hero to an entire city and widely regarded as one of the most loyal men in football! How is that not a legacy in itself?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 sold his soul or just moved to a bigger club like has been happening since transfers began? if shaw had just been half decent would southampton had stuck by him because he was a local lad and come through their youth team or would they have gone out and bought someone else? its a 2 way street, they'd have bombed him off, as it is he's potentially very good so he's left, southampton have been rewarded if you think shaw has gone to utd because they pay more money than southampton then are wrong, he's gone to utd because they are one of the top 5 teams in the world, they will compete for trophies over his career, he will play champions league and unfortunately his england prospects increase, southampton may have a good team right now but they arent one of english footballs bigger teams, they will be cherry picked, its inevitable, players will join utd and liverpool ive got no problem with people criticising delph and sterling, or moses and begovic, or players that do move sideways chasing money, but shaw has made a huge leap forward here by your logic in criticising shaw why arent you criticising westwood for not staying at crewe, gestede for not stopping at blackburn, amavi for not stopping at nice? or clyne for not being at palace any more? Came here to make the exact same Westwood analogy . Spot on How is the Westwood analogy from L1 Crewe to Premier League Villa in ANY way comparable to Luke Shaw from Southampton (who were kicking arse and could have made a massive impact in the Premier League) to Man U (who post Fergie, will never be the club they were) in any way the same? Because there was a transfer involved? Manchester United post Fergie is still one of the biggest clubs in the world along with Real, Barca and Bayern. The step up from Southampton to Man Utd is arguably a bigger step than that from Crewe to Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) sold his soul or just moved to a bigger club like has been happening since transfers began? if shaw had just been half decent would southampton had stuck by him because he was a local lad and come through their youth team or would they have gone out and bought someone else? its a 2 way street, they'd have bombed him off, as it is he's potentially very good so he's left, southampton have been rewarded if you think shaw has gone to utd because they pay more money than southampton then are wrong, he's gone to utd because they are one of the top 5 teams in the world, they will compete for trophies over his career, he will play champions league and unfortunately his england prospects increase, southampton may have a good team right now but they arent one of english footballs bigger teams, they will be cherry picked, its inevitable, players will join utd and liverpool ive got no problem with people criticising delph and sterling, or moses and begovic, or players that do move sideways chasing money, but shaw has made a huge leap forward here by your logic in criticising shaw why arent you criticising westwood for not staying at crewe, gestede for not stopping at blackburn, amavi for not stopping at nice? or clyne for not being at palace any more? Came here to make the exact same Westwood analogy . Spot on How is the Westwood analogy from L1 Crewe to Premier League Villa in ANY way comparable to Luke Shaw from Southampton (who were kicking arse and could have made a massive impact in the Premier League) to Man U (who post Fergie, will never be the club they were) in any way the same? Because there was a transfer involved? Manchester United post Fergie is still one of the biggest clubs in the world along with Real, Barca and Bayern. The step up from Southampton to Man Utd is arguably a bigger step than that from Crewe to Villa Manchester United post Fergie is still one of the biggest clubs in the world - Only by name... Like owning a pair of 10 year old Calvin Kline boxer shorts.... They had their day and you had a lot of fun memories in the times you wore them.... but they are done now that the elastic has gone and you are only still wearing them because of the label and because you have worn them for so long Edited September 18, 2015 by DJ_Villain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 sold his soul or just moved to a bigger club like has been happening since transfers began? if shaw had just been half decent would southampton had stuck by him because he was a local lad and come through their youth team or would they have gone out and bought someone else? its a 2 way street, they'd have bombed him off, as it is he's potentially very good so he's left, southampton have been rewarded if you think shaw has gone to utd because they pay more money than southampton then are wrong, he's gone to utd because they are one of the top 5 teams in the world, they will compete for trophies over his career, he will play champions league and unfortunately his england prospects increase, southampton may have a good team right now but they arent one of english footballs bigger teams, they will be cherry picked, its inevitable, players will join utd and liverpool ive got no problem with people criticising delph and sterling, or moses and begovic, or players that do move sideways chasing money, but shaw has made a huge leap forward here by your logic in criticising shaw why arent you criticising westwood for not staying at crewe, gestede for not stopping at blackburn, amavi for not stopping at nice? or clyne for not being at palace any more? Came here to make the exact same Westwood analogy . Spot on How is the Westwood analogy from L1 Crewe to Premier League Villa in ANY way comparable to Luke Shaw from Southampton (who were kicking arse and could have made a massive impact in the Premier League) to Man U (who post Fergie, will never be the club they were) in any way the same? Because there was a transfer involved? Manchester United post Fergie is still one of the biggest clubs in the world along with Real, Barca and Bayern. The step up from Southampton to Man Utd is arguably a bigger step than that from Crewe to Villa Manchester United post Fergie is still one of the biggest clubs in the world - Only by name... Like owning a pair of 10 year old Calvin Kline boxer shorts.... They had their day and you had a lot of fun memories in the times you wore them.... but they are done now the elastic is gone and you are only wearing them now because of the label and because you have worn them for so long Im going to use that analogy of United the next time I speak to one of Man Ure supporting friends 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Well on the positive side the Glazers have decided to start issuing a dividend, hope they bleed the club dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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