Dodgyknees Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 With the FFP rules in place, what can a new owner bring us that Randy can't/won't? (That's a genuine question by the way, I'm not suggesting there's nothing) Imagine it, Sports City Aston, the corners of The North Stand filled in at last, a hotel a casino a Gentlemans Club followed by World domination Stop it I'm getting a semi!! Keep it going, it is more than we can hope for under Mcleish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b6bloke Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Sorry. Have I missed something? What evidence is there saying that Lerner wants to sell? If it were just one post, I would share your sceptism. But the rumours are coming almost daily now - and from different sources. All fueled by eachother. As I posted earlier, the Brown's one above does not make sense. Also Randy has been quoted that only something to do with the Children would make him sell. That is one hell of a statement to make. So far none of the rumours have been about his kids. It is the rumourmill in overdrive where everything that gets posted by an attention seeker gets recycled and given legs through Twitter, Facebook, forums & Messageboards. Doest make any of them true, mind. Well that would add to my post about being told that Randy has better things to worry about than aston villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 A pig just flew past my window Any significance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Everyone is obviously unhappy with the football and results we are getting now. But, in my opinion (and what is being said by the club), the lack of spending is due to what we have overspent in previous years. Were people not happy with the years under MON when we were spending? Or would you take all that back and not have the likes of Young, Milner and Downing just so we could keep spending a little more now? I don't think we'd have finished in the top 6 if it wasn't for the spending we did in previous years and likely wouldn't have made a Cup Final.. but then we also wouldn't have this shit football now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Or we could have not spent £10m on Davies, £5m on Sidwell, £4m on Shorey, £4m on Harewood, £8m on Reo-Coker, £4m on Heskey and other wasted money - been a bit wiser and progressed at a slower rate buying in players we needed every year, instead of average crap for the sake of it on high wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Or we could have not spent £10m on Davies, £5m on Sidwell, £4m on Shorey, £4m on Harewood, £8m on Reo-Coker, £4m on Heskey and other wasted money - been a bit wiser and progressed at a slower rate buying in players we needed every year, instead of average crap for the sake of it on high wages. Then we wouldn't have had MON as manager and some average manager instead. No way MON would accept being told what he can spend and how much to pay them. Unfortunately Randy trusted him too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 You forgot Stephen Warnock £8m, Habib Beye £3m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 A pig just flew past my window Any significance ? Yes; you should probably move out from under that trough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Or we could have not spent £10m on Davies, £5m on Sidwell, £4m on Shorey, £4m on Harewood, £8m on Reo-Coker, £4m on Heskey and other wasted money - been a bit wiser and progressed at a slower rate buying in players we needed every year, instead of average crap for the sake of it on high wages. No way MON would accept being told what he can spend and how much to pay them. Unfortunately Randy trusted him too much.This old myth. Since MON has left the club has demonstrated a singular lack of any football nous at all. It is quite apparent that neither Randy or anyone else charged with running the club has any idea on how to run a football team. Certainly not a good knowledge. It was said at the time that Randy doesn't get involved and employs people to be the experts. Well it is pretty evident that sincethey lost the good football nous and knowledge of MON they have completely struggled. So going by that Randy thought "nah MON has too much. I'll do it myself" ? great idea then Randy.In Mon it seems he had the perfect manager, soemone who knew football and what was needed. Lost that and what has he been left with? Crap football decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 £40-50 million on absolute dross that wouldn't even have made a Stoke, Bolton, Wolves team at the time of sale. Absolute disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 16, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted January 16, 2012 £40-50 million on absolute dross that wouldn't even have made a Stoke, Bolton, Wolves team at the time of sale. Absolute disgrace. Yup, that MON is a bloody genius hey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 In Mon it seems he had the perfect manager, soemone who knew football and what was needed. Pretty sure we didnt "need" to spend £10m on the likes of Davies or £60k a week or whatever on Heskey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloBarnesi Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Just what Randy wants; blame all our financial woes on MON. Who signed Ireland and put him on reportedly the highest wages? Why sign a player from France who has virtually not paid on £30000 as reported? etc, etc. Why have to pay off two managers in two seasons, and then pay off SHA to get Alexander McLeish? How much are we wasting on a manager who is incapable? We can’t keep blame the mess on the man from Northern Ireland. It just doesn’t tally with the reality we are now in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Jesus, why is it always just one persons fault, the situation we find ourselves in now is down to a number of people and reasons and O'Neill is included in that as is Randy, McLeish, Houllier, FD (if we have one), the players etc etc. I often hear the argument that ultimately the person responsible is the man at the top and that man is Randy so its his fault for the position we find ourselves in. Well ok then if thats the case when we were finishing 6th three times in a row then I guess Randy was ultimately the person responsible then too, well done him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Then we wouldn't have had MON as manager and some average manager instead. Err, that's exactly what we got in MON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Or we could have not spent £10m on Davies, £5m on Sidwell, £4m on Shorey, £4m on Harewood, £8m on Reo-Coker, £4m on Heskey and other wasted money - been a bit wiser and progressed at a slower rate buying in players we needed every year, instead of average crap for the sake of it on high wages. No way MON would accept being told what he can spend and how much to pay them. Unfortunately Randy trusted him too much.This old myth I don't think you can call those signings a myth, they definitely happened. Of course we all wish they hadn't. You can't just sweep them under the carpet, and ignore the fact that they contributed both to MON's departure and our current position. If MON had put a decent European Scouting network in place, or listened to the scouts he had, we might have unearthed some decent European talent rather than paying over the odds (in both wages and transfer fees) for experienced premier league players. Lerner must shoulder a large portion of the blame for not tackling MON earlier, but MON must also share the blame for some very poor transfer dealings, and for what appears to be tantrum throwing when he was asked to address the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villianusa Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Jesus, why is it always just one persons fault, the situation we find ourselves in now is down to a number of people and reasons and O'Neill is included in that as is Randy, McLeish, Houllier, FD (if we have one), the players etc etc. I often hear the argument that ultimately the person responsible is the man at the top and that man is Randy so its his fault for the position we find ourselves in. Well ok then if thats the case when we were finishing 6th three times in a row then I guess Randy was ultimately the person responsible then too, well done him. A wise man has written or is that wrote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejoker Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Would love all of these rumours to be true, I really would. But its all smoke without fire. No reporters have had a sniff of any takeover and I'm sure they would hear whispers before anyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I often hear the argument that ultimately the person responsible is the man at the top and that man is Randy so its his fault for the position we find ourselves in. Well ok then if thats the case when we were finishing 6th three times in a row then I guess Randy was ultimately the person responsible then too, well done him. I'd say that was the case. His name was sang alongside that of the manager for the best part of 4 years. The owner does have ultimate responsibility. He chooses the manager, or chooses the Chief Executive who chooses the manager. The owner decides how much we can spend on transfers, how much we can afford to spend on wages. He makes the decisions, or employs those responsible for making the decisions in terms of our commercial income etc. He was rightly highly praised for making some of the decisions mentioned above ( debatable as to whether he chose O'Neill ) that saw us finishing 6th for three seasons on the spin. He provided the money for transfers - 70 to 80 mill net, that took us from a club that narrowly avoided relegation to one that established itself as a top 6 club and challenged for top 4. He ensured we could during those three 6th place finishes have the 8th, 6th and 6th highest wages in the league. Now on the downside since 2009/10 he has over seen us selling three of our best players for the best part of 65 mill and either not replaced them or spent a fraction of the money and replaced them with inferior quality. He has made two very poor managerial choices and that combined with selling our best players and drastically cutting our wage bill, the 6th highest wage bill in the league ( for whatever reason Randy couldn't get the income high enough to sustain the 6th highest wage bill in the country ) has inevitably seen us slide quickly to being a club that was in the relegation mix for 5 months last season and seems to be heading in the same direction this season. I am happy to praise Randy for the years we were, compared with the last two seasons and where he found us, relatively successful. He spent a few bob and we had the 6th highest wage bill in the country so we did as well as expected. I also place much of the blame firmly at his door for the decisions he has made over the last 18 months or so that have seen us slide so dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 For me it's getting to the DOL/Ellis time and the enjoyment of going to villa park is miminimal. It's so frustrating to see how shit we play the game. There are probably 2 players I actually get some enjoyment of watching, the rest I'm just sick of seeing them either perform below their ability thanks to poor coaching and management or others performing to their average ability because they're just average players. I hate knowing that we have a manager who isn't capable of coaching a team into playing football that will entertain me. I hate knowing we have a manager who isn't going to attract the kind of heroes and entertainers we've had in the past. I hate knowing we have a shit owner who appointed this shit manager and is going to stick with him. I have little hope money and ambition will be spent and shown and I dread what Mcleish will waste it on if it is and how much that will cost us again. The fun, the entertainment, the optimism and the pride are slipping away from this club at a fast pace. If Lerner loves us as much as his pr spinning , finger slipping, military friend claims then he should be doing everything in his power to find someone else to try and restore what he's pretty much destroyed in such a short period of time. A failure of an owner in 2 major sports. Well done Mr Lerner!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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