blandy Posted January 16, 2012 Moderator Share Posted January 16, 2012 Personally, I think the timing of MO'N's departure was utterly disgraceful and it reflected very badly on my previously high opinion of him. Personally I think the clubs inability to deal with this issue that had been building for a long period of time was utterly disgraceful; The club played a game of poker for high stakes that summer and lost again and again, and the fans pay the price. As I mentioned, I just don't see it that way. I see no game of poker having been entered into by Randy or PF. At best (worst) they had a view on expenditure and income and MO'N had a different view. In these circumstances, the chairman trumps the manager every time. Managers either accept the financial reality or they leave. That's the same everywhere. You can view MON badly for walking out, of which I would agree. But led up to it and then after it to me has been worse than virtually anything under the previous era. Who would have believe that we have had four managers in nearly two years. Who would have believed anyone would have been dim enough to sell off star players when we were manager less. Who would have believed that we would appoint McLeish? Terrible decisions one after another. MON made one offence against us. The club has gone on a couple of seasons of pissing off fans. I agree with this, though, and you can add in buying a player with no manager in place, too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I wantedEllis out for over 20 years He went and managed to find Lerner who has done some good things and some bad. Lerner , by many people's comments, is much better than Ellis. So if Ellis managed to find him, just think who Lerner could find.Corrected for balanced accuracy. :winkold: Provided Lerner completes due diligence, an improvement on an improvement has got to be a good thing. I don't know how many good potential owners are out there though. Not much of a queue. :| Hence the decision to approach a merchant bank - I think this is what Ellis did - 2 months later we were sold. Really hope things moves quickly now. Obviously Lerner has been planning this for a while so lets hope plans are in place. We don't know that Lerner has approached a merchant bank. At the moment this thread has become speculation on speculation. Welcome to VT! :winkold: There are probably more instances of rumours which turned out not to be true than rumours which were true. That doesn't make this story not true, just still a rumour. Whether that makes it worth any effort, I'm not sure. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Not that I belive this story ..but thinking logically when he came in he wanted to be successful and pumped alot of cash in and we failed.Now with the FFP rules he can't pump cash in even if he had the means or wanted to so the club is going backwards. Nike deal gone ,lowering crowds ,best players wanting to leave maybe it's taken it's toll Perhaps he has seen that there is no way to increase the clubs income enough to make us successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 If he does sell i just hope he takes that waste of spunk Faulkner with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I refuse to get excited. Always ends up in depression with this club and the fact it is one of the most important things in my life, feels like I am being cheated on time and time again but I still love it too much for a divorce. It just hurts. So, I cannot allow myself to be excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 If he does sell i just hope he takes that waste of spunk Faulkner with him. Crude personal insults aside, PF is Lerner's man so if Randy goes so will PF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 Personally, I'm going to get excited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Personally, I'm going to get excited Based on internet rumours, a friend of a friend and such. The same people who got the manager situation so wrong last year etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Personally, I'm going to get excited Over a rumour regarding the very beginning of a possibly lengthy process which might result in worse or little difference than the status quo; I can't blame you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddywhack Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 With the FFP rules in place, what can a new owner bring us that Randy can't/won't? (That's a genuine question by the way, I'm not suggesting there's nothing) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Personally, I'm going to get excited Good news for you then.....it's only 49 weeks til Christmas!!! Yay!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 With the FFP rules in place, what can a new owner bring us that Randy can't/won't? (That's a genuine question by the way, I'm not suggesting there's nothing) Ground sponsorship, shirt sponsorship, building a casino/hotel under the clubs name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 With the FFP rules in place, what can a new owner bring us that Randy can't/won't? (That's a genuine question by the way, I'm not suggesting there's nothing) he can spend a massive amount for two windows then trim it back to reasonable levels and use the terms of the rules to say he is working within the guidelines to get spending under control or he could choose to forsake Europe for a few years and focus on winning the league and building footballing income Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Why would Randy selling the club automatically be cause for excitement anyway? It depends entirely on who he is selling to, if he is indeed selling in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 With the FFP rules in place, what can a new owner bring us that Randy can't/won't? (That's a genuine question by the way, I'm not suggesting there's nothing) Imagine it, Sports City Aston, the corners of The North Stand filled in at last, a hotel a casino a Gentlemans Club followed by World domination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Not that I belive this story ..but thinking logically when he came in he wanted to be successful and pumped alot of cash in and we failed.Now with the FFP rules he can't pump cash in even if he had the means or wanted to so the club is going backwards. Nike deal gone ,lowering crowds ,best players wanting to leave maybe it's taken it's toll Perhaps he has seen that there is no way to increase the clubs income enough to make us successful. The rules only apply to clubs competing Europe. He could put as much as he wanted in - if he just wanted to win the PL - which would be fine by me ! Think thats just an excuse really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyp_avfc Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 With the FFP rules in place, what can a new owner bring us that Randy can't/won't? (That's a genuine question by the way, I'm not suggesting there's nothing) Imagine it, Sports City Aston, the corners of The North Stand filled in at last, a hotel a casino a Gentlemans Club followed by World domination not forgetting... A new manager Better standard of players The smile back on Villa faces Better atmosphere @ VP A team to be properly proud of again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houllierout Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 With the FFP rules in place, what can a new owner bring us that Randy can't/won't? (That's a genuine question by the way, I'm not suggesting there's nothing) FFP rules. Yawn. Thats for Europe. We wont see Europe for a while under Lerner anyway. So short answer is, we may have to actually look at that rule that no one else seems bothered with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 With the FFP rules in place, what can a new owner bring us that Randy can't/won't? (That's a genuine question by the way, I'm not suggesting there's nothing) Imagine it, Sports City Aston, the corners of The North Stand filled in at last, a hotel a casino a Gentlemans Club followed by World domination Stop it I'm getting a semi!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Why would Randy selling the club automatically be cause for excitement anyway? It depends entirely on who he is selling to, if he is indeed selling in the first place. It gives hope. We're going nowhere but downhill under Lerner. The football is crap and there's no sign of it improving. It'd give the chance of change, and with that, hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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