Big_John_10 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 So if we survive what's going to happen in the summer do you think HH? Will he still be limited with wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adbo9 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Lamberts a word removed. That is all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 The mandate for any manager coming in was to reduce the wage bill. That means many players have gone and we have had to replace them with younger, hungry, players. That is totally sensible way to approach those financial restrictions. With those restrictions what else could he or any other manager have done? What other approach would give us even a chance of sorting all this mess out? We were always going to have a weaker squad. It's a transition period anyway. And face it, we're not that much worse than last year, and to think two years ago with Downing Young and lots of experienced players we were in the relegation zone outright at this stage, your principle accusation that HE made the squad worse is short sighted for so many reasons. You ignore all the facts surrounding what he is having to do in the job and how the club have been since MON left. You are also ignoring the fact that his approach was always going to take time to come to full fruition, and requires stability. It is a job very much started and the process is only in the beginning. Good post. A couple of points I would add. I think we all agree that what Lambert managed to do in the summer by way of transfers was stage one, not the desired end point. When it came to stage two, this window, something had changed. Money was available, not loads but some, and he was hopeful of making signings. Clubs were approached, but we are told the fees and wages were too much. How come? Seeing who he signed in summer, and with what we hear is a smaller sum available, I don't believe for a moment he was approaching targets which were just out of the price bracket. I think it's more likely that the budget assumed that some of the costlier members of the squad moved on, but at some point it became not a working assumption, but a condition which preceded new signings, or at least new signings above a very low figure. I don't know this, I just don't see a better explanation for what seems to be Lambert's surprise and disappointment that approaches he's made have been ruled out. You would have thought that the string of results we've had, the worst in living memory, would have loosened the purse strings, but instead it seems to have paralysed the cheque-writing hand. I'm also mindful that although the circumstances of MON's leaving are shrouded by a secrecy condition of whatever was agreed, the common view is that he found previous agreements changed as well. Yes, Lambert's approach was always going to take time. But I'm wondering if the things which are needed to make the approach stand a fighting chance, especially a couple of new signings right now, might have been taken away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Found this on another forum ... not a Villa one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 You would have thought that the string of results we've had, the worst in living memory And for me Lambert has to take a lot of the blame for this. It's all well and good talking about a vision, a plan and how wage restrictions haven't helped but as the manager he has made mistakes that have lead to this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 And for me Lambert has to take a lot of the blame for this. It's all well and good talking about a vision, a plan and how wage restrictions haven't helped but as the manager he has made mistakes that have lead to this. "It's all good and well these valid points but I'm going to completely ignore them." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 "It's all good and well these valid points but I'm going to completely ignore them." I've clearly acknowledged them. You're the one who has decided to ignore a set of valid points as you continue to defend Lambert of any blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 And for me Lambert has to take a lot of the blame for this. It's all well and good talking about a vision, a plan and how wage restrictions haven't helped but as the manager he has made mistakes that have lead to this. Do you think there's a single living person, including Lambert, his mum and his kids, who don't understand and acknowledge that he's made mistakes? I suppose you must, or you wouldn't repeat it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 I've clearly acknowledged them. You're the one who has decided to ignore a set of valid points as you continue to defend Lambert of any blame. Some people are a bit like religious zealots. Blindly following and supporting their messiah in the face of overwhelming evidence proving that he is just an ordinary man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Do you think there's a single living person, including Lambert, his mum and his kids, who don't understand and acknowledge that he's made mistakes? I suppose you must, or you wouldn't repeat it so. Yes. Look above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 (edited) Er. so he bought Ireland, Given, Hutton, Bent, etc, etc. Players on massive wages doing very, very little. O'Neill spent 120m on transfer fees during his four years and recouped 39m in sales during the same period leaving a loss of 82m. 2006-07 IN Stilyan Petrov=6.5m Didier Agathe=Free Chris Sutton=Free John Carew=Swap Ashley Young=9.65m shaun Maloney=1.1m OUT Kevin Phillips=700k Matthieu Berson=1m Ulises De La Cruz=Free Peter Whittingham=250k Eric Djemba Djemba=Free Milan Baros=Swap Mark Delaney=Retired Juan Pablo Angel=Free Spent: £17.25m Bought in: £1.95m Net Spent £15.3m 2007-08 IN Moustapha Salifou=Undisc Zat Knight=3.5m Harry Forrester=250k Eric Lichaj=Free Marlon Harewood=3.5m Nigel Reo-Coker=8.5m Wayne Routledge=1.5m OUT Liam Ridgewell=2m Jlloyd Samuel=Free Lee Hendrie=Free Chris Sutton=Retired Didier Agathe=Released Steven Davis=4m Aaron Hughes=1m Gavin McCann=1m Gary Cahill=4.5m Robert Olejnik=Free Spent: £17.25m Brought In: £12.5m Net Spend: £4.75m 2008-09 IN Curtis Davies=10m Steve Sidwell=5.5m Brad Friedal=2.5m Brad Guzan=1m Nicky Shorey=4m Luke Young=5m Carlos Cuellar=7.8m James Milner=12m Arsenio Halfhuld=Nominal fee Emile Heskey=3.5m OUT Luke Moore=3.5m Olof Mellberg=Free Patrick Berger=Free Thomas Sorensen=Released Shaun Maloney=1m Wayne Routledge=Undisclosed Spent: 51.3m Brought In: 4.5m Net Spend: 46.8m 2009-10 IN Stewart Downing=10m Fabian Delph=6m Habib Beye=2m Andy Marshall=Free Stephen Warnock=6m James Collins=5m Richard Dunne=6m OUT Gareth Barry=12m Stuart Taylor=Free Zat Knight=4.5m Martin Laursen=Retired Graig Gardner=3.5m Spent: 35m Brought In: 20m Net Spend: 15m 2010-11 IN None OUT Andy Marshal=Released Marlon Harewood=Released TOTALS 30 Players in: Total=120m 29 Players out: Total=38.95m Net Spend: 81.85m Edited January 28, 2013 by Morpheus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 And still some think mon was god for avfc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Good post. A couple of points I would add. I think we all agree that what Lambert managed to do in the summer by way of transfers was stage one, not the desired end point. When it came to stage two, this window, something had changed. Money was available, not loads but some, and he was hopeful of making signings. Clubs were approached, but we are told the fees and wages were too much. How come? Seeing who he signed in summer, and with what we hear is a smaller sum available, I don't believe for a moment he was approaching targets which were just out of the price bracket. I think it's more likely that the budget assumed that some of the costlier members of the squad moved on, but at some point it became not a working assumption, but a condition which preceded new signings, or at least new signings above a very low figure. I don't know this, I just don't see a better explanation for what seems to be Lambert's surprise and disappointment that approaches he's made have been ruled out. You would have thought that the string of results we've had, the worst in living memory, would have loosened the purse strings, but instead it seems to have paralysed the cheque-writing hand. I'm also mindful that although the circumstances of MON's leaving are shrouded by a secrecy condition of whatever was agreed, the common view is that he found previous agreements changed as well. Yes, Lambert's approach was always going to take time. But I'm wondering if the things which are needed to make the approach stand a fighting chance, especially a couple of new signings right now, might have been taken away.good post, agree with that not much more to add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Lamberts a word removed. That is all. How do you make that out? Does he have us performing badly on purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Can we convince Pulis to leave Stoke if we stay up? Whaha I've seen it all now. I remember him mentioned to replace McLeish by fans. Anyone suggested him got castigated for his playing style. One things for certain, his teams no how to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Lamberts a word removed. That is all. Yet more personal insults. Brilliant stuff villa fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Found this on another forum ... not a Villa one saw it before , didnt laugh then either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuleAthon Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Begs the question what the board were smoking summer before last though doesn't it, if they knew then they had to cut costs and still fell over themselves to give the likes of Given £50,000 a week for five years. Beginning to feel a little more sorry for PL the more of this insipid unravelling of truth I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Lambert will get to the end of the season no matter how much will all want him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 27, 2013 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Begs the question what the board were smoking summer before last though doesn't it, if they knew then they had to cut costs and still fell over themselves to give the likes of Given £50,000 a week for five years. Beginning to feel a little more sorry for PL the more of this insipid unravelling of truth I read. The papers reported, I seem to remember - I can't swear for either the papers or my memory - that after getting rid of/mutually agreeing termination with/being shocked by the untimely departure of MON (select option according to taste), the board, managerless, agreed to give Ashley Young more money for the same contract and the same job, though "saving money" was now the watchword. A generous gesture, which he shortly repaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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