Woodytom Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 People have said he should. People even said he would be the future England captain. I think I have seen that to be fair, from maybe 1 or 2 Villa fans out of millions. What's your point? You don't need to tell 99% of Villa fans that is bonkers. My point is that steveo was incorrect in saying that it hadn't been said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 To be fair WT, I remember you posting something like 'pathetic, can't get the basics right' after he got something like 96% pass percentage and had a great game. You see something different in him than others do. That's fine. But at least own up to it. You're never going to like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If he shows some consistency and we have a good season I could see him making the England squad at some stage. Don't think he'll ever make the cut for a tournament though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 To be fair WT, I remember you posting something like 'pathetic, can't get the basics right' after he got something like 96% pass percentage and had a great game. You see something different in him than others do. That's fine. But at least own up to it. You're never going to like him. Doubt it. That was after the man utd game where they won the title I think. Fairly certain he didn't get 96% pass completion in that game. Own up to what? I think I'm fairly clear in what I see in him and others agree. As for never liking him I'm not really sure what you mean. I'd love him to be amazing. He just isn't. Even the likes of you have stopped with the over hype. You used to describe him as superb when he just clearly isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 It wasn't that game. It was a home game. But yeah I agree with Stevo. Absolutely no point in debating this with you as you're never going to change your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 It wasn't that game. It was a home game. But yeah I agree with Stevo. Absolutely no point in debating this with you as you're never going to change your mind. Changed my mind on what? Are you going to change your mind like? Is there any point debating this with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Are we debating on whether it's worth debating? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Are we debating on whether it's worth debating? Pretty much. Tho it seems it's only worth debating to StefanAVFC if you're going to change your mind in his favour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno_2004 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Be interesting to see who is rated more highly - Westy or Jack Cork? Swansea got him for around £3m didn't they? Been impressed whenever I've seen him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Atm, jack cork by a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Are we debating on whether it's worth debating? Pretty much. Tho it seems it's only worth debating to StefanAVFC if you're going to change your mind in his favour. Isn't the point of a debate to attempt to change somebody's mind? If you're never going to change your mind, what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Are we debating on whether it's worth debating?Pretty much. Tho it seems it's only worth debating to StefanAVFC if you're going to change your mind in his favour. Isn't the point of a debate to attempt to change somebody's mind? If you're never going to change your mind, what's the point? But who says I'm not? Atm I'm not but that's more to do with Ashley Westwood than our debates. And why is this only aimed at me. You show no sign of changing your mind either? So I'm a bit lost as to why you are pointing the finger at me with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Because over the last 3 years you haven't given him an inch. I'm not changing my mind because he's been a consistent player in what has been a very tough few seasons for us. As soon as he starts being utterly dreadful, then of course I'll change my mind. But that hasn't happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Because over the last 3 years you haven't given him an inch. I'm not changing my mind because he's been a consistent player in what has been a very tough few seasons for us. As soon as he starts being utterly dreadful, then of course I'll change my mind. But that hasn't happened. Another one who doesn't acknowledge the positive things I put about him. This is where the debate becomes pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 The positives are hugely outweighed though aren't they? You posted 'good assist' then got drawn into a debate about how he's not very good. I feel like there's always a 'but' coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Who could realistically do a better job for us in a westwoods role, then westwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 In fairness I like him as a player, I think we could possibly do better but I don't sense a great rush to replace him and I'm cool with that. I didn't think he was very good overall Saturday. I used my eyes for that rather than stats, I thought he was largely anonymous, but he certainly played his part in the match winning moment so... (I've no idea why I've got involved in this!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Well obviously because I don't currently rate westwood, the positives are going to be outweighed. But the fact that they are there show that I'm more than willing to be open minded about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Because over the last 3 years you haven't given him an inch. I'm not changing my mind because he's been a consistent player in what has been a very tough few seasons for us. As soon as he starts being utterly dreadful, then of course I'll change my mind. But that hasn't happened. Not wishing to take sides in this argument but Stefan has raised a really valid and important point here. AW has indeed played through some very tough seasons-He was thrown in at the deep end and it has been one hard slog. I get the feeling that whilst we are watching our football with a smile on our faces, the lads are playing it in the same manner. AW rose to the challenge of the step up-Possibly levelled out in a very mediocre (that's being kind) Villa side. We're now going to kick on and I can see AW kicking on again as well. Watch him go this season-I really think he is going to step up. He's no longer in Delphs shadow, the midfielders are all of equal status and I can see them all growing together 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno_2004 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Who could realistically do a better job for us in a westwoods role, then westwood? I don't think we have anyone in the squad right now if we're going to play with an 'anchorman' at the base of the diamond who I'd prefer - Sanchez included. Arguably I'd go with two players at the base, one dropping and one pushing on - Veretout and Gana, with Gil/Grealish in front behind the striker - and miss Westwood out all together. Then again, I'm not the manager... but good thing is we seem to have more options than we have in a while in terms of playing style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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