delboy54 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 I know there have been some over the top and crazy suggestions of suitable punishment if/when 115y are found guilty of fraud. So what practical and realistic punishment should they get if/when found guilty?, bearing in mind the punishment has to act as a deterrent to other clubs thinking of doing the same? For example a transfer ban and no European footy for a season, a 10 point ban and a fine of a million quid is no way near enough of a deterrent in my opinion. I think they will get away with it ....too much money at stake as well as interference by the UK government and vested interests in the middle east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, delboy54 said: So what practical and realistic punishment should they get if/when found guilty? 25 point deduction for one season and a transfer ban for two windows. The PL will want to make it look like they are punishing them without actually harming them too badly. They might have to work to get a CL place one season or miss out for one season. Of the 115 charges they'll probably only be found guilty of 5 - 10. Edited May 22 by villa89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 4 minutes ago, villa89 said: 25 point deduction for one season and a transfer ban for two windows. The PL will want to make it look like they are punishing them without actually harming them too badly. They might have to work to get a CL place one season or miss out for one season. Of the 115 charges they'll probably only be found guilty of 5 - 10. A 25-point deduction this season would have seen them finish only 2 points behind us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy54 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 minute ago, villa89 said: 25 point deduction for one season and a transfer ban for two windows. The PL will want to make it look like they are punishing them without actually harming them too badly. They might have to work to get a CL place one season or miss out for one season. Of the 115 charges they'll probably only be found guilty of 5 - 10. I think measures should be in place to prevent them from winning anything for a long time, e.g. a 60 point deduction reset at the start of each season for 10 years, a transfer ban for 5 years and not allowed to enter any domestic cups for 5 years. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy54 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Just now, duke313 said: A 25-point deduction this season would have seen them finish only 2 points behind us Yeah I agree, not enough punishment to prevent them continuing their dodgy stuff or other clubs copying them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 1 minute ago, delboy54 said: I think measures should be in place to prevent them from winning anything for a long time, e.g. a 60 point deduction reset at the start of each season for 10 years, a transfer ban for 5 years and not allowed to enter any domestic cups for 5 years. This would be a just punishment, therefore will never happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 4 minutes ago, duke313 said: A 25-point deduction this season would have seen them finish only 2 points behind us Exactly. Anyone expecting a pound of flesh is going to be very disappointed. The PL want city spending money and bringing stars like haaland into the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodo Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 As much as I want the book thrown at them, I sadly can't see it, the Premier is a brand & probably the best brand football wise in the world & Man city spear head that brand, you wipe them out & relegate them into championship, league 1 or 2 the brand will take an almoght hit in my view. But hey ho here's hoping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Proper punishment would be 5 year transfer ban, relegation to League 2, 10 year 30 point deduction, £500 million fine, all achievements null and void. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 4 hours ago, delboy54 said: I know there have been some over the top and crazy suggestions of suitable punishment if/when 115y are found guilty of fraud. So what practical and realistic punishment should they get if/when found guilty?, bearing in mind the punishment has to act as a deterrent to other clubs thinking of doing the same? For example a transfer ban and no European footy for a season, a 10 point ban and a fine of a million quid is no way near enough of a deterrent in my opinion. I think they will get away with it ....too much money at stake as well as interference by the UK government and vested interests in the middle east. They cheated over multiple seasons to leapfrog many teams, to the position where they are now. A 40 point deduction is nothing, will only affect them for 1 season. If they cheated for 7 seasons the points deductions for each breach should be spread over the amount of seasons they cheated. AKA 30 points per season for 7 seasons. This will cripple them, and bring them back into line with where they should be (Everton, West Ham etc). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HanoiVillan Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 19 hours ago, delboy54 said: I know there have been some over the top and crazy suggestions of suitable punishment if/when 115y are found guilty of fraud. So what practical and realistic punishment should they get if/when found guilty?, bearing in mind the punishment has to act as a deterrent to other clubs thinking of doing the same? For example a transfer ban and no European footy for a season, a 10 point ban and a fine of a million quid is no way near enough of a deterrent in my opinion. I think they will get away with it ....too much money at stake as well as interference by the UK government and vested interests in the middle east. As I've said before, if they're *actually* found to have engaged in a decade-long conspiracy to engage in materially misstating their accounts and then trying to hide it, the question of criminal prosecution for any UK-based officials might arise, and the most important punishment would not be points deductions or relegation but a forced change of ownership. This is possible - we know this, it happened to Chelsea - and could perhaps best be achieved by saying their registration for the 25/26 season will be withheld unless a sale has occurred. However, I'm increasingly unconvinced they will be found to have broken the rules in any or many of the charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 19 hours ago, duke313 said: A 25-point deduction this season would have seen them finish only 2 points behind us Crazy considering we were above them at the turn of the year and lthough we didn't maintain our form, it was still decent from then until the end of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted May 23 Popular Post Share Posted May 23 52 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Crazy considering we were above them at the turn of the year and lthough we didn't maintain our form, it was still decent from then until the end of the season. But that's the advantage they have over everyone They have internationals on £100k+ a week not just as back up for 3 or 4 places back in that squad They've got a £40m wolves and Brazil starter playing 10 games a year That's the killer with them, not haaland and de bruyne 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I personally think they should start the next 5 seasons on -20 points and given two windows transfer bans 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 19 hours ago, VillaJ100 said: Proper punishment would be 5 year transfer ban, relegation to League 2, 10 year 30 point deduction, £500 million fine, all achievements null and void. And burn down the Etihad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: I personally think they should start the next 5 seasons on -20 points and given two windows transfer bans This would relegate them, so probably won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 2 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Crazy considering we were above them at the turn of the year and lthough we didn't maintain our form, it was still decent from then until the end of the season. Underlines how and why they win. Our squad depth and quality meant we just couldn’t maintain the first half season form. City had a load of world class players on £200k/w waiting in the wings to play in the second half of the season who were fully fit and fully fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 It will still be another yr before they get anything, Pep will leave and that season they will then get a10-15 point deduction. New manager then has a “free pass” not to win the league that yr (and the pressure of the one replacing Pep as seen with Moyes, Emery etc). After that it will be back to norm and they’ll win it all again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 51 minutes ago, Genie said: Underlines how and why they win. Our squad depth and quality meant we just couldn’t maintain the first half season form. City had a load of world class players on £200k/w waiting in the wings to play in the second half of the season who were fully fit and fully fresh. Man City squad depth is absolute streets ahead of anything, ever in world football. Their "bench players" walk into most teams in World Football. Nunes (wolves best player), Ake (bournemouths best player), Kovacic (won everything), Alvares (won everything), Grealish (100m+ our best player), Gvardiol (100m+ best young defender). They could even take Leeds best player, relegate them and not play him just for the fun of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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