brummybloke Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Like Pelle said I think no one thinks he's the messiah or anything. Most people just feel that he did a good job with Villa finishing 6th three times and did better than the past managers here in the last 15 years. He wasn't fantastic and he wasn't without his faults (some extremely irritating) but for most Villa fans it was just a fun time to be a Villa fan. that about sums it up, some exciting times and every transfer window some frustrating times but at least you knew there would be an end product the only end product under the ginger clunge will be relegation and stripping out of any decent players as they dont fit in with the GC's footballing ethos of kick it as high and hard in the air as you can and close your eyes and hope it falls in the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 He wasn't fantastic and he wasn't without his faults (some extremely irritating) but for most Villa fans it was just a fun time to be a Villa fan. I agree with that but the most frustrating thing was that with the resources he had at his disposal he should have done a lot better. It was our best chance for a generation and he blew it. At the time 4th would have been minimum to expect considering the problems some of the big teams were having. It was basically an open goal for a few seasons. We had a team with Heskey in it ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I think the "belief" we had was more to do with the level of investment than anything. If we got in any half decent manager that's not McLeish and Randy started investing heavily again, would people still be saying there's no belief? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOne Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Wayhay, we ain't going to be 'trading' according to sky sports with quotes from AMC. Still on the old wage bill reduction project which will go on forever thanks to various people's incompetence. Exciting time ahead for us villa fans... Yes. The board and McLeish made a massive **** up with Jenas. Will they face up to their responsibility? Nope. It's the club what gets punished. Us fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Just watched Eck's pre-match (chelsea) press conference. Christ, the guy is as dour and miserable as the football we play and the smog hanging over B6 I know its tough being a PL manager on £3m a year but FFS, smile a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 for most Villa fans it was just a fun time to be a Villa fan My thought as well bose. It is a pity that Randy's 5 year plan did not bring the top 4 place he had sought, that the investment in the team ended when it became clear that top 6 was as good as it was going to get as other clubs had deeper pockets and that having had the Milner cash he had expected to be able to use on players taken off him Martin was unwilling to stay with us having known where this level of under investment was likely to take us. We are now left with one of the very few managers that was prepared to work for the club under such constraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulTheVillan Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Just watched Eck's pre-match (chelsea) press conference. Christ, the guy is as dour and miserable as the football we play and the smog hanging over B6 I know its tough being a PL manager on £3m a year but FFS, smile a bit £3m a year? Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 He wasn't fantastic and he wasn't without his faults (some extremely irritating) but for most Villa fans it was just a fun time to be a Villa fan. I agree with that but the most frustrating thing was that with the resources he had at his disposal he should have done a lot better. It was our best chance for a generation and he blew it. At the time 4th would have been minimum to expect considering the problems some of the big teams were having. It was basically an open goal for a few seasons. We had a team with Heskey in it ffs. sigh, this also we were one of only 3 clubs who were cash rich at the tme MON took over as manager MOn did a clough and thought he was cleverer than he was in the transfer market by buying failures on the whole and hoping to polish them. a reasonable degree of success matched with supid deals for alot of the players. at the time when BENT was at spurzz and the january when melt face came in and bought crouch and defeo there were lots of us screaming out for his signature which would have been around the 8million mark just to rub it in that bit further heskey was 4 months off a free transfer when we signed him, for £3.5 million and then gave him a £50k plus per week contract mother of god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted December 30, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted December 30, 2011 I think the "belief" we had was more to do with the level of investment than anything. If we got in any half decent manager that's not McLeish and Randy started investing heavily again, would people still be saying there's no belief? This.... I think there's a hell of a lot of managers who could have spent the same money MON spent, but the club would be in a much better state then we are in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 The MON thing does my head in also, he is regarded as a messiah but he was nothing more than a bloke who could get a Skoda to drive a little bit like Ford Focus for a very shourt time. Big wow.Not sure anyone has claimed he is the "Messiah", although outside a religious context, I'm not really sure what that is supposed to mean. Just the best manager we've had for a fair few years who brought a sense of optimism, excitement and achievement that has been woefully lacking in the 2000s/ How about we get quality players who can erm...you know just play ? Those would be the ones MON brought in or developed at Villa who have been sold off, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NowDoINotLikeThat Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Just watched Eck's pre-match (chelsea) press conference. Christ, the guy is as dour and miserable as the football we play and the smog hanging over B6 I know its tough being a PL manager on £3m a year but FFS, smile a bit £3m a year? Sure. Best part of £3million a year yes. £2.75 million a year. He is in the top 7 paid managers in the Prem. We also paid a lot to Blues for him. He wasn't a cheap appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 How about we get quality players who can erm...you know just play ? Those would be the ones MON brought in or developed at Villa who have been sold off, I guess. Errr, no need for the plural, as I think only Ashley Young actually falls into the category of 'developed' under MON and subsequently 'sold off'. Cahill, Barry and Milner were already 'developed' before MON got his hands on them. Downing didn't play for him much. But Young was a good player for the Villa. Not as good as Barry and Milner or, last season at least, as Downing, but he was a good player and MON found him, signed him ahead of West Ham, and developed him, so credit where credit is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Hierro Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 How about we get quality players who can erm...you know just play ? Those would be the ones MON brought in or developed at Villa who have been sold off, I guess. Errr, no need for the plural, as I think only Ashley Young actually falls into the category of 'developed' under MON and subsequently 'sold off'. Cahill, Barry and Milner were already 'developed' before MON got his hands on them. Downing didn't play for him much. But Young was a good player for the Villa. Not as good as Barry and Milner or, last season at least, as Downing, but he was a good player and MON found him, signed him ahead of West Ham, and developed him, so credit where credit is due. For me, even though Barry had already been with us for several seasons, he very much developed under MON. It was MON who put Barry in the middle and got him to play to a standard where he became an England regular and eventually sold to Man.City where he now plays regularly-ish, and is seen as a key member of a 'top-two' squad in the Premier Leauge. Something like that would be unthinkable for the player Barry was pre MON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Just watched Eck's pre-match (chelsea) press conference. Christ, the guy is as dour and miserable as the football we play and the smog hanging over B6 I know its tough being a PL manager on £3m a year but FFS, smile a bit £3m a year? Sure. Best part of £3million a year yes. £2.75 million a year. He is in the top 7 paid managers in the Prem. We also paid a lot to Blues for him. He wasn't a cheap appointment. I cant believe we are paying this word removed that much money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Barry was being linked with a move to Pompey just before MON joined. Barry is certainly a player that improved under MON. Milner was also a player many thought we'd overpaid for and wasn't getting interest from big clubs. Does complaining about MoN make our situation better? It seems to be a popular thing to do on VT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Whats £60k a week amongst friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Barry was being linked with a move to Pompey just before MON joined. Barry is certainly a player that improved under MON. Milner was also a player many thought we'd overpaid for and wasn't getting interest from big clubs. Does complaining about MoN make our situation better? It seems to be a popular thing to do on VT.Oh I'm sorry, are we only allowed to discuss St Martin in a positive light? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I cant believe we are paying this word removed that much money What's just as bad is is we are paying Jenas wages despite him being out for the whole season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I cant believe we are paying this word removed that much money What's just as bad is is we are paying Jenas wages despite him being out for the whole season! Thank Mr Faulkner for that one!!!! Villa are a joke of a football club these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 What's just as bad is is we are paying Jenas wages despite him being out for the whole season! he wasnt out for season when we signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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