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Just seen the subs list Ireland and N'Zogbia are both on it.

Has Ireland and N'Zogbia both been left out of squad? Whos on the bench?

We're now bottom of the mid-table pack. Also known as the dunces corner. :oops:

Shit i had the Wolves V WBA as a draw. We're down to 15th .. :oops:

Collins and Heskey. FFS tho no surprise is it

The overreaction to a 2-2 draw against QPR at home was pretty embarrasing on here. You would have thought wed won a cup final by some posts.

she had real bad crack problem years back

Agree. Depsite my criticisms of McLeish a protest tomorrow is completely wrong time .

What utter rubbish. I am tired of seeing this utter tripe by some. MON took over a Villa side that finished 16th. He had no preseason. McLeish took over a side that finished 9th (which was still a big underachievemnt)with much better squad .Had a preseason , whole summer to buy his own players - including £10 million on N'Zogbia - not too shabby compared to some other sides resources. To try and compare MON first season with this season with this diabolical manager who has a pathetic previous record in this league is utterly stupid. Why not compare THIS season? MON at Sunderland in 11 games has won 7. McLeish at better Villa squad has won 6 in 24 games. 3 home games all season. Shambles. McLeish has a win % of less than 25% in his whole PRemier league career - a truly miserable stat. So yes his previous rubbish record at Birmingham IS VERY RELEVANT as his record with us is a mirror image. Wake up.

Are you being serious? That was the FIRST game MON has lost at home with Sunderland. He has won more games in 11 games than McLeish has managed all season. In case you have not noticed we have not won a home game in FOUR months! I'm not in favour of the protests (wrong time) but what on earth are you on about? That somehow McLeish is not shit because MON and Mark Hughes lost a game today?? :? Very bizarre post.

We are 7 points ahead of those sides tho. Well aware of McLeish's loving of relegation but a squad with Given , Gabby , Bent wont be relegated this season. Not even McDiabolical could manage that. If he ever did manage to he would go down in history as the shittest manager in world history ever. There would have to be some form of state ceremony to honour such a ridiculous shite acheievement. It won't happen just to be in the dunces half this season is on its own a disgrace. I agree, but what if we get hit with a bad injury crisis? That is purely hypothetical at moment. You don't a need a hypotetical injury crisis or a hypothetical relegation to know that McLeish is a shit manager. For us to be 14th in february is unacceptable , winning 6 games in 24 Prem games , not winning a home game in 4 months is more than enough to criticse this very crap manager. To stay up this season we will only need probably 35 points or something. Which even McRubbish should manage but to be doing as badly as we have done is enough to criticse McLeish for without imagining a very very unlikely relegation this season.

We are 7 points ahead of those sides tho. Well aware of McLeish's loving of relegation but a squad with Given , Gabby , Bent wont be relegated this season. Not even McDiabolical could manage that. If he ever did manage to he would go down in history as the shittest manager in world history ever. There would have to be some form of state ceremony to honour such a ridiculous shite acheievement. It won't happen just to be in the dunces half this season is on its own a disgrace.

Agree with pacbuddies - it will be 3 from those 5 and no one else. We will only need 35 points or something to stay up this season. There is no chance of relegation this season IMO even under this relegation loving clown of a manager.

Im against tomorrows protest but Woodytom you are talking absolute shite in playing devils advocate to the utter joke of a decision it was by Lerner or whoever on our board who appointed McLeish. McLeish's record is utterly embarrasingly awful with us and his previous 'Premiership experience' is diabolical. Anyone who knows anything about football actually has pity on us having such a bad manager.

His record is utterly diabolical and truly embarrasing. McLeish is breaking all types of record this season. Failure to win tomorrow will be the longest we have EVER gone without a winning a game in the topflight at home. Diabolical manager who has exceptionally miserable record in the topflight .

That is his first home defeat. Put that into context comapred to we haven't won a game at home for over 4 months. :oops:

Yep ANYONE who vaguely knows ANYTHING about football knew what an utter bad joke and stupid appointment the McLeish appointment was.

Agreed. I do not rate McLeish and would prefer him not here and there may well be a time in future to protest about it but agree the timing of this protest is wrong and not needed. but it's always waiting isn't, no time is good. First it was give him the first 7 games, then let's see by Christmas, then end of Jan, now following those games you mention, some people say end of end season, some even say end of next season when he's had a full season. I have seen nothing in the time he has been here to warrant any more time. The fact is he isn't good enough......one or two good results or great performances will happen because laws of nature means it has to, but then we'll have some diabolical performances and most will be less than average at best. My opinion is not based on one game, it's over his duration and he simply isn't good enough over the average of the season......he has to go. No time is good so why not now? Let's think of the long term now, and get somebody else in Look i don't rate McLeish and his record this season so far has been truly terrible and we should not be in the dunces half of league and agree theres little to suggest his crap winning 1 in every 4 or so games Premier league record will change but a protest before a game against Man City IS the wrong time for a protest. You say theres never a right time to protest but there is IMO a wrong time to - which this weekends game would be .

Agreed. I do not rate McLeish and would prefer him not here and there may well be a time in future to protest about it but agree the timing of this protest is wrong and not needed.

When you said numpties and laughing stock i thought you were refering to our board for a second.... Anyhow as for this proposed protest - I think a protest before the Man City game is a bad idea - its not the right time or right game for protests . The protests against McLeish's appoitment however there was nothing wrong in that at all!

Indeed it is a ridiculous argument and for so many reasons. A decent manager would not have this squad (despite its faults) in the dunces half of the league. As for the protests - i generally feel that the Man City game is the wrong game and wrong time to protest against the club . There is plenty to be pissed off about and feel a protest might be needed eventually but i don't think this is the time.

Seems some have SHA expectations these days. McLeish has won 14 games in his last 62 Premiership games he has managed ! Laughable stats. Cheers for that Lerner. As for talk of protests i think the Man City game is the wrong game and wrong time for protests.

I think Zatman might be right that the old Lampard and Stevie G together problem might make a comeback under Redknapp. Redknapp is best bloke for the short term if still wants it. As for MON well obviously that will never happen now but think he would been pretty good at international level despite not being a tactical genius. Rmber McLaren didn't even qualify for Euro 2008. Success with England is qualfying and getting to a quater final . Something which Sven kept doing in fairness even tho didnt like him much. Talk of winning any tournament with England whatever the manager is often just dumb.

Id be interested in how many of those 90 Prem league game has won . Considering he has only won 6 in 24 of those games with us and only won 8 last season in 38 games . So that is 12 wins in 62 of those games... Id imagine the win % is embarrasingly low wouldn't you? He won one league cup - well the manager so despised by some on here MON won 2 of those. He has had a summer window to sign players unlike Houllier last season - in which he managed to sign the brilliant player Hutton. The idea a failed Premiership manager like McLeish can build anything is frankly wishful thinking verging on demented.