Qwpzxjor1 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Whats wrong with Richard Dunne as captain anyway?!?! Or Shay Given for that matter? Personally, I wouldn't have him as captain because I don't believe he's an automatic starter. Collins and Clarke, Cuellar is still here at the moment.. I'm sure McLeish has a good idea at the moment of who our centre backs will be, but Dunne just isn't assured of a place in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaceydeaceyaggro Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Makoun has had one good game since he arrived and that was his debut. Concidentally, at the end of Petrov's first season, we were all saying exactly the same. I wish the player who played against West Ham had stayed for the rest of his Villa career. Makoun's contributed nothing to Villa since his debut. Petrov has been vital to us ever since he arrived. You only have to see how sh#t we were last season when he was injured and how we improved once he became fit again. If you can't see that you mustn't have watched the same Villa as I did last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 We were at our worst last season when Petrov was out of the team. Once he came back in we picked up, so he can't be as bad as you make out. Makoun has had one good game since he arrived and that was his debut. Nice theory but you're wrong. Competitive games last season: With Petrov (Petrov started 24 as follows) P. 24.……W.8….….D.7……..L.9……..F.28……..A.36……. He did not start in the other 22 as follows (Without Petrov) P. 22.……W.8….….D.6……..L.8……..F.35……..A.34……. (Courtesy of Dudley Villan.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted August 3, 2011 Moderator Share Posted August 3, 2011 Dunne is the vice captain if pre-season is anything to go by. I'd put money on our default central pairing from the start being Dunne & Collins. That's aside from the captaincy discussion. Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaceydeaceyaggro Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The one natural leader at the club was allowed to leave on a Bosman NRC He was in and out of the team all the tim he was at Villa. How can you name a player captain if he wasn't an automatic choice for the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The one natural leader at the club was allowed to leave on a Bosman NRC What he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaceydeaceyaggro Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 We were at our worst last season when Petrov was out of the team. Once he came back in we picked up, so he can't be as bad as you make out. Makoun has had one good game since he arrived and that was his debut. Nice theory but you're wrong. Competitive games last season: With Petrov (Petrov started 24 as follows) P. 24.……W.8….….D.7……..L.9……..F.28……..A.36……. He did not start in the other 22 as follows (Without Petrov) P. 22.……W.8….….D.6……..L.8……..F.35……..A.34……. (Courtesy of Dudley Villan.) What do those stats look like when it's just league games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viloon Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I voted No, for me Petrov does indeed break our play up more often than not, rather than keep moves flowing, no point having a 119/120 pass completion if 100 are backwards. Off the ball he does try hard, I'll give him that, but he just dissapears for me running between our defence and midfield picking up no one half the time. Last seasons surge wasn't Petrov related directly, I think it was formation related, we stopped pi s sing about and reverted to a 442, which we should never have changed from so quickly. Yes, in came the old guard again and we were stable. Just shows that if we want to move away from the direct counter attacking, soaking up pressure for 80 mins of a game tactic we need better ball players in the middle, which for me Stan is not the solution if we want to move up the gears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaceydeaceyaggro Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I voted No, for me Petrov does indeed break our play up more often than not, rather than keep moves flowing, no point having a 119/120 pass completion if 100 are backwards. Off the ball he does try hard, I'll give him that, but he just dissapears for me running between our defence and midfield picking up no one half the time. Last seasons surge wasn't Petrov related directly, I think it was formation related, we stopped pi s sing about and reverted to a 442, which we should never have changed from so quickly. Yes, in came the old guard again and we were stable. Just shows that if we want to move away from the direct counter attacking, soaking up pressure for 80 mins of a game tactic we need better ball players in the middle, which for me Stan is not the solution if we want to move up the gears. But we're not gonna replace him with a signing, so what are we gonna do? Replace him with either Makoun or Ireland? I shudder to think how poor our midfield would be with either one of those as a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Who gives a ****. The Captain is mainly just a figurehead these days and very rarely inspires the team. The armband is even used as a bribe by managers to try to keep their best players sweet even when they are the last person in the team that should be made Captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I am a bit disappointed that DM chose to get a cheap shot of publicity by launching a pointless attack on Stan Yeah, hes obviously making this stuff up so he can get his name in the papers the big publicity whore. Its just jelousy at the end of the day, Mortimer was never as good as Stan is. :notsure:Whether Mortimer was a good player 30 years ago doesn't really come into this. He has a history of saying negative things about Villa and often features in the press criticising some aspect or other of the club. He may well have good cause to feel bitter about the way Villa treated him but he just tarnishes his image in my eyes by coming out with stuff like this. BTW, when he says "I, personally, wouldn’t have him in the team.", the only team he has actually managed to my knowledge was Redditch United so he doesn't exactly speak from a wealth of knowledge, experience and achievement in football management and choosing a good captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 the only team he has actually managed to my knowledge was Redditch United so he doesn't exactly speak from a wealth of knowledge, experience and achievement in football management and choosing a good captain. Yeah, but Redditch United fans to this day refer to his time there as "The glory years". I just totally made that up, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Heard a strong rumour today that Randy had decided against going fro Ribery on loan as he has a potential paedo lawsuit hanging over his head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Yeah, I'm sure it's very strong rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Mortimer is one the greats who played for us but has no managerial nous and doesn't have a valuable opinion on players IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Dennis Mortimer can offer a decent valid opinion on the possition he played..He knows what to look for and what a captain in that possition should offer the team. Fair play if he was making an assessment on a Goalkeeper or a Centre Forward, you could take his opinion as of anyone's. But Dennis knows his trade as a captain playing in Central midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 He's as entitled to an opinion as yone. But it wantlong ago he publically said he wanted Blose t beat Villa in the local derby. He's a bit of a tit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Mortimer is one the greats who played for us but has no managerial nous and doesn't have a valuable opinion on players IMO. Because his opinion is different to yours you mean? And it has nothing to do with managerial nous. Im sure an ex player knows a good player when he sees one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 It dosnt take too much knowledge to see Petrov is crap as club captain. He never offers any drive to go for the win..Look at Roy Keane and the way he urged the team to win...You need a born winner that cares about the club to captain the side.. I grant you he cares for Villa but he isnt a born winner.. Look how Clark played against City to urge "himself" on to get the equaliser. The same when we played Arsenal at home and he scored twice, again he was driving forward with his sleaves rolled up constantly looking to get a result for the team...Clark will make a great captain one day because thats the mark of a winner for the team. I would even stick him in now alongside Cuellar as CB "and" as captain.Removing all these old wannabe's in Dunne, Collins and Warnock that think they are God's gift to a starting place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 I'd give the captaincy to Luke Young and park Petrov's butt on the bench. It's just about curtains for Stan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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