JulieB Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 This is awful beyond words but maybe we should also remember.... Tens of thousands are dying in Somalia....yet the world is standing idly by and doing nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 This is awful beyond words but maybe we should also remember.... Tens of thousands are dying in Somalia....yet the world is standing idly by and doing nothing! Sadly the truth of the matter is that the closer a death (or deaths) is to home the more of an effect it has on us. Whether that is right or wrong is another debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gompedyret Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 As many as 30 may be killed or heavy injured at Utøya, as bodies are recovered around the island. The person taken into custody for the killings is a Norwegian citizen, also ethnically. Surprising, I must say. The dude has definitely made a good case for being Norway's most hated person. **** me. Not that surprising, I'd say. Remember the Oklahoma City bombings in '95. We Norwegians surely have our fair share of lunatics, too. Personally, I began to wonder when the reports about the Utøya shootings came in - a political youth gathering would hardly be a target for international terror groups. I'm with that line of thought. In the night my wording become very clumsy. What I meant was surprising to many, since their first, and more or less automatic, response when news of the attacks came about was "islamist terror!" More than 80 young people simply executed with cold blood. This is beyond horrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracker1234 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 raw footage from the rescue operation at Utøya Isn't nice to watch knowing what just went on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Apparently this guy was an EDL sympathiser... truly indicative of the dangers of extreme nationalism if initial motives are to be believed. Just appalling, and when something as harmless as youth politics becomes involved, it's just unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 23, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2011 Lone wolf terrorists are very rare. It's curious watching the coverage of this try to connect the modern terrorist narrative - I was watching BBC News 24 a moment ago and the presenter/reporter/whatever was less interested in the event so much as he was to ask every guest about the state of race relations in Norway (to which he may as well have just said 'Norwegians hate Muslims and this is a reaction to the Muslim terror threat') and trying to make out that Norway was in some way unique and that that was why 91 people are dead this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 23, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2011 Does Norway have the death sentance? Maximum basic custodial sentence in Norway is 21 years. You can serve more (in 5 year increments) if you're found to still be a danger to society when you become eligible for parole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazdavies79 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I can't work out why he's shooting at his fellow natives; the guy is a Norwegian right? And he is a xenophobic anti islamist right? Why isn't he killing them? The Islamic nutters have more of a grasp on the concept of terrorism than this guy, he's got it all arse about tit. He's gonna feel like a right wolly when they tell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoD Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 The Island massacre is one of the worst things I've heard about in a long time. my condolences to all the family and friends of the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Just seen Stoltenberg on the news and you can see that this has had a huge personal affect on him. He knew many of the deceased and their parents and he also said that Utøya was his "childhood paradise". He's managed, admirably, to hold himself together despite that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 23, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2011 I can't work out why he's shooting at his fellow natives; the guy is a Norwegian right? And he is a xenophobic anti islamist right? Why isn't he killing them? The Islamic nutters have more of a grasp on the concept of terrorism than this guy, he's got it all arse about tit. He's gonna feel like a right wolly when they tell him. He was attacking the Norwegian Labour Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 the lack of security in and around the island is quite alarming. he managed to get on the island, start shooting, and it carried on for an hour or so. where was the nearest police station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 It's just a kids camp. In Norway. Why would you expect police checks and metal detectors on your way in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 The response is what I'm getting at. An hour is a long time for someone to be shooting people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 where was the nearest police station?And bizarrely for some reason all the serious police were heading in the opposite direction at the time, something about a bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 There aren't really words are there. 90 odd people, most of them young. Flying a plane into a faceless building is one thing, hunting down 80 people as they run and hide in terror and executing them is quite another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 the lack of security in and around the island is quite alarming. he managed to get on the island, start shooting, and it carried on for an hour or so. where was the nearest police station? Yea a youth summer camp in Norway should be guarded as well as a airport right after 9/11. Do they have police guards in every summer camp where you're from? For every happening that occurs outdoors or in public? I'm also a bit surprised that he got to carry on as long as he did though. But I guess it took some time before the police got reports of the shooting due to the mass panic and people being busy running for their lives from a madman hunting them down like rabbits on a small island. And by the time they got reports, I assume most of the police force was busy downtown Oslo after the bomb had blown up. I'd make a wild guess and say the nearest police stations would be about 40min away, no idea really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Terrible. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted July 23, 2011 Visiting Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2011 Apparently some of the 85 killed actually drowned trying to get away, not shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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