PompeyVillan Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I think Everton are now **** beyond belief tbh and its a shame I don't think the full ramifications of the Stadium getting bounced have even hit home yet, there was so much invested in the deal that Everton have to take a big hit it. Knowsley Council must be gutted, they've spent a fortune, Kenwright will be completely devastated. All the eggs were in one basket and today someone stole it and ate all the eggs, some day the basket will get found I really dot think the Evertonians who are happy today actually realise what an effect this is going to have Plan B? There simply isnt one and because of todays decision, finances are bolloxed from what I've heard and understood I feel sorry for them, even the ones who didn't want it to hapen and are happy campers today, trust me the smiles wont last long How? The finances would only be improved by £6million a YEAR if we moved to Kirkby and it was always full, what sort of difference is that, really? It's hardly even a player nowadays. This is a kick up the arse for the board who were so convinced it was going ahead they blanked all other offers and didn't even consider them. It is THEIR fault there is no plan B. Now they are the ones who've got to pay and sort us out before we get totally **** over. We have had chances for discussion with them. I'm led to believe we are still in talks with Tesco about building a ground somewhere else in Liverpool with them. Which would mean they part fund it again. If we go down, and are **** then so be it. I can say that I'm pretty certain we would headed down had we moved to Kirkby anyway. The plans were a load of shite, the transport links were abysmal, the profit margins were so low it's ridiculous, everything about it was shite. You'd be pleased with a stadium part funded and owned by Tescos? You say the owners have to bail you out now, but how? Are you hoping that they sell the club? (sorry for the questions, but I'm intrigued, because this seems like bad news to me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artetasgirl Posted November 27, 2009 Visiting Supporter Share Posted November 27, 2009 You'd be pleased with a stadium part funded and owned by Tescos? You say the owners have to bail you out now, but how? Are you hoping that they sell the club? (sorry for the questions, but I'm intrigued, because this seems like bad news to me) Did I say that? No I wouldn't. That was part of the point for not wanting Kirkby in the first place. Sell the club or something of that ilk. They have been saying the barrier for investment/takeover has been Kirkby. Now it's dead they got nothing to hide behind. It's not bad news. I think you will find the majority didn't want it to happen. Everything about it was wrong. I've said it many times on here but if it had got the go ahead, that would of been it for me (and the rest of my family, whom ALL agreed) and Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hull_city Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Agree Bicks, massive blow. No team should be 3-0 down to Hull at HT. Awful. dont speak too soon.oh wait im getting a little bit ahead of myself here. ill pop back in 8 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Agree Bicks, massive blow. No team should be 3-0 down to Hull at HT. Awful. dont speak too soon.oh wait im getting a little bit ahead of myself here. ill pop back in 8 days If we're 3-0 down to you at HT in 8 days, I'll buy everyone on this site a pint. 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Ghey Tigers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 28, 2009 Moderator Share Posted November 28, 2009 I've said it many times on here but if it had got the go ahead, that would of been it for me (and the rest of my family, whom ALL agreed) and Everton. You would have stopped supporting the club because they moved the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artetasgirl Posted November 28, 2009 Visiting Supporter Share Posted November 28, 2009 I've said it many times on here but if it had got the go ahead, that would of been it for me (and the rest of my family, whom ALL agreed) and Everton. You would have stopped supporting the club because they moved the ground? Maybe I should of phrased that better, I wouldn't stop supporting the club, but I wouldn't of gone any games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colleh Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Moyes ready to quit? It says everything about the deeply sombre mood pervading England's greatest football city that Rafa Benitez, despite overseeing the club's worst run in modern history, is actually the happier of the two managers meeting for a Merseyside derby that will definitely not be for the faint-hearted. Benitez may be wobbling under the pressure of coping with a club in turmoil on and off the pitch - and 13 points behind Premier League leaders Chelsea - but he is a picture of positivity compared to David Moyes, a deeply troubled figure as he contemplates whether he has taken crisis-ridden Everton as far as he can following the hammer blow last week of not being able to move to a new stadium in Kirkby. Everton have no money, a crippling injury list, no immediate prospect of a new stadium and no sugar daddy waiting in the wings to take over from Bill Kenwright. David Moyes Feeling the heat: Everton boss David Moyes Moyes is clearly a manager who feels he may have reached a dead end after leading Everton to three top-six finishes in recent seasons. 'I want to be involved in a football club that makes progress,' he admitted as he prepared for the 212th Merseyside derby at Goodison Park with his side having slumped to fifth from bottom in the table and dark mutterings of a relegation battle ahead. 'I have a lump in the back of my throat - I am choking - because I'm finding it hard to say to anyone that we're making progress. I'm not sure that's the case this year.' Moyes will leave Goodison Park at the end of the season unless new investors are found to help the club match his own ambitions. Even a sudden Kenny Dalglish-style walk-out cannot be discounted, although a £1.5milliona- year salary is clearly a good reason not to do so. It all leaves a bizarre situation where Benitez's reign at Anfield looks relatively stable, despite the team losing four games in a row for the first time since 1987 and being dumped out of the Champions League at the group stages, beckoning Europa League football to Anfield. Benitez has also had to face questions about his dealings in the transfer market, which have left him without a replacement for the injured Fernando Torres, while off the pitch Liverpool also have long term issues over ownership and a new stadium. How did it come to this? Whatever fans in Manchester and London may think, Liverpool is indisputably England's most successful footballing city. Everton Fallen through: Everton's plans to build a new ground in Kirkby have collapsed Everton and Liverpool have won 27 league championships between them and in the Eighties, the title went to Merseyside seven seasons in a row, both teams also winning the FA Cup and European trophies during that period. Investment in new stadia should have happened then - but it did not. Now, in the middle of the credit crunch, Liverpool cannot find £400m to build at Stanley Park. Everton are back at square one after Kirkby, and a groundshare is out of the question as Anfield co-owner Tom Hicks wants to utilise his contacts in the construction industry for his club alone. The problems have heaped unprecedented pressure on Benitez and Moyes, but right now it seems Moyes is feeling the heat most. He can see seven years of transforming Everton from relegation candidates to European contenders and FA Cup finalists going up in smoke because of a lack of investment. Long-term injuries to key players Phil Neville, Mikel Arteta and Phil Jagielka have left the Scot resembling a heavyweight who has taken one blow too many. In a powerful unleashing of frustration, Moyes declared: 'The one thing I always wanted at Everton was to make progress. We've done that by climbing the league, getting the training ground, qualifying for Europe, reaching a cup final and talking about getting a new stadium. 'It was all great progress. Now that is finished. The stadium idea has come to an end and we're not doing so well in the league. It is the ability to progress from here that worries me more than anything. Rafa Benitez Frustration: Rafa Benitez will be desperate for Liverpool's fortunes to improve this season 'I'm ambitious. I want to be challenging near the top of the league and playing Manchester United and Liverpool feeling we can win. There were periods last year when I thought we were a match for anyone. At this moment, I don't.' Moyes, hugely popular among the devoted Everton faithful and regarded as one of the best managers in the club's history, is acutely aware of not overstaying his welcome but is struggling for solutions to halt the club's decline. 'I don't think we will be buying players in January, no. We don't have those finances. If anything, we will have to use the loan market. 'I have a great relationship with the chairman - it is not as if he is hoarding money or hiding it from me. But I say to him, "Come on, Chairman, we've got to find more investment". 'People see us as finding it hard to keep spending to keep up with the Joneses. We have a chairman from Liverpool trying to do the best for his team. But the business side at other clubs involves having someone from Abu Dhabi or someone from Mars putting money in. 'I want to come back to watch Everton in my old age. If the fans say, "We want rid of David Moyes", I would say give it to somebody else.' Everton's owners will take a close interest in Moyes's comments. Despite his theatrical background, Kenwright is no soft touch and will point out the club's wage bill is £3m higher than 12 months ago and that the Everton squad are full of expensive imports like Yakubu (£15m) and Marouane Fellaini (£15m), who are both underperforming at present. In contrast, Benitez is signing from the same hymnsheet as chief executive Christian Purslow, even though only a top-four finish can guarantee the Spaniard will be in charge next season. While Moyes wrestles with his future, self-doubt is not something that appears to worry Benitez. 'I have never questioned myself. I knew I would be a manager at 16 and have always had confidence in my ability because I think deeply about the game and have had success everywhere I have been. 'Even when I was sacked early in my career, I never lost confidence. I told my friend, "it doesn't matter, I will be a top manager".' Benitez has control of the Academy he craved, and promises the owners he can save them millions of pounds in transfer fees by developing young players. Javier Mascherano Case for the defence: Liverpool star Javier Mascherano has backed manager Rafa Benitez Dalglish has been given a senior role to ensure future local talent like Jack Rodwell ends up at Liverpool, not Everton. The players are backing their manager in his hour of need. Even Javier Mascherano, who fell out with Benitez in the summer when the manager blocked a move to Barcelona, dismisses the idea of regime change. 'You can't just take recent results into account. Liverpool have improved over the past five years and that is due to Rafa,' said Mascherano. 'The club weren't always in the Champions League until Rafa came. Now people expect it every season. Rafa is responsible for that. 'The fans are behind him and we shouldn't talk about changing the manager. He signed a contract a few months ago. I think all the supporters and the owners believe in Rafa and the project.' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1231744/Everton-boss-David-Moyes-admits-I-lump-throat-I-m-choking-club-just-isn-t-progressing.html#ixzz0YHxqR0Vp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 29, 2009 Moderator Share Posted November 29, 2009 I'd be very worried reading that if I were an Everton fan because that to me reads as if he is ready for a fresh challenge and it is hard to imagine where Everton would have been in recent years without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwpzxjor1 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Very very worrying report for an Everton fan.. but I spy a journalist just trying to shake things up before the big derby game. With the situations both clubs are in at the moment (neither having the start they wanted and Benitez under pressure) it's probably one of the most important derby games for quite some time. Liverpool fan journalist stirring shit. Whilst they are direct quotes, it's very easy to manipulate meaning with selective quoting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I'd love Moyes at Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted November 29, 2009 Moderator Share Posted November 29, 2009 I'd hate Fellaini at Villa. He's just elbowed Lucas in the face, drawing blood, and got away with it again. He's a nasty piece of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 29, 2009 Moderator Share Posted November 29, 2009 Fellaini is in my view the dirtiest player in the league by quite some distance I've not seen a player consistantly use his elbow to hurt opponents since Fashanu and I just don't understand how ref's let him get away with it. Sooner or later he is going to seriously hurt a player and when he does the FA and the refs will be in part responsible for not doing something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Yeah, Fellaini is a right dirty ****, he never seems to get punished after a game either. Looked very bad for Everton right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Everton were unlucky to lose today really. They dominated the entire game and can feel optimistic about the performance, especially considering their injured absentees. They'll need to start picking up points soon though, otherwise all thoughts of a last years 5th place will be long forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artetasgirl Posted November 29, 2009 Visiting Supporter Share Posted November 29, 2009 I'd be very worried reading that if I were an Everton fan because that to me reads as if he is ready for a fresh challenge and it is hard to imagine where Everton would have been in recent years without him. It's selective quote using though. Writing it from a point of view to spark debate. They could of used the other quotes about him quitting as being "complete nonsense" "That is complete nonsense," the Scot said yesterday on claims he has had enough of obstacles on and off the pitch. People are so blinkered with Fellaini, he just **** jumped for the ball and used his arms for leverage. It's practically impossible to jump without using your arms. Vidic did exactly the same thing to Heitinga last week and barely batted an eyelid, just cos it's old Fellaini everyone thinks he's a dirty **** and does it on purpose every single time. There are far dirtier players in this league e.g. Michael Brown for one. Anyway, much better performance today, and a lot more passion. Pienaar makes a huge difference. Fellaini was sensational too. Won every header, tackled really well and passed it so good, drove forward well too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted November 29, 2009 Moderator Share Posted November 29, 2009 Sorry AG but the only people blinkered about Fellaini are Everton fans, its happened far too many times now for it to be accidental. Yes Vidic did it to Heitinga but he hasn't got a long list of previous like Fellani who I'm affraid has lost the benefit of the doubt and can fairly be labelled a dirty player. How many bookings has he picked up since he has been with you? Most of the times he catches people with his elbow its not when he is using his arms to get up but in fact when he is already up and he seems to swing his arm out wildly for no logical reason other than looking for an opponent. Now he isn't like Fashanu in that I don't think he has intent to hurt players but he swings his elbow in their direction nonetheless and very often it isn't to 'get up'. He swings it out behind them in order in my view to fend opponents off and to stop them trying to win the header, as a result he often catches people as he did today. I do agree with you that Brown is worse than Fellani thats a fair point but I honestly think non Everton fans have a slightly more objective view of the actions of the man with the stupid hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colleh Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Fellaini doesn't really jump for the ball, so that excuse is a poor one. Most of the time he tries to win the ball from standing tall and then flings out an elbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Fellaini's a big nosed, shit haired, dirty cheating bastard....imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vojskovoda Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Fellaini is a disgrace... I mean you can't defend such a player who recieved the most amount of yellow cards in the PL last season. He's meant to be an attacking-midfielder/striker - what's he doing elbowing everybody in the face whilst making Paul Scholes-esque tackles? I'm pleased we didn't buy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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