PandaMac Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Fair enough then. Anyway this is the Delph thread so I'll stop talking about Bannan now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 No, two different players. The point we were discussing was, Delph might as well be wearing boots made by Toblerone, he won't score in the Premier League. You can have a much lower expectation of Delph scoring than Bannan and the fact he doesn't matters less than Bannan not scoring because Delph's game is a defensive one, a modern defensive midfielder with some ball skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandaMac Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 No, two different players. The point we were discussing was, Delph might as well be wearing boots made by Toblerone, he won't score in the Premier League. You can have a much lower expectation of Delph scoring than Bannan and the fact he doesn't matters less than Bannan not scoring because Delph's game is a defensive one, a modern defensive midfielder with some ball skill. Ron Vlaars game is a defensive one yet he scored from 25 yards against Sunderland but you're right Delph will never score in the prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I hope you go away when Delph scores 5 goals this season, Con. So incredibly stupid it's mind boggling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) No, two different players. The point we were discussing was, Delph might as well be wearing boots made by Toblerone, he won't score in the Premier League. You can have a much lower expectation of Delph scoring than Bannan and the fact he doesn't matters less than Bannan not scoring because Delph's game is a defensive one, a modern defensive midfielder with some ball skill. We did not sign Delph to be a defensive midfielder, he didn't play that way at Leeds at all................ but yes we know he likes a tackle. We have only managed one full season out of the guy since he signed and he was pretty decent when he got a run in the team, but at the time he broke through we needed more steel in the middle, as defensively we were shocking. I'm sure if we actually manage to stop conceding **** ridiculous goals this season and we settle as a mid table team a bit, we'll see much more from Delph's game. We've seen that he wants to get forward and that should tell you everything you need to know right now. Edited July 20, 2013 by VillanousOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Delph is actually the only midfielder who looks like he might score. sylla had one chance last year and neary scored and westwood had feck all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 you think Delph will score as many goals this season as Ramires scored for the Chelsea team last year? his place in the team doesn't rest on him being able to score goals. don't know why you want to put that pressure on him. Delph is our non-defensive outfielder who doesn't score yet still can deserve his place. teams always have one of those. No, two different players. The point we were discussing was, Delph might as well be wearing boots made by Toblerone, he won't score in the Premier League. You can have a much lower expectation of Delph scoring than Bannan and the fact he doesn't matters less than Bannan not scoring because Delph's game is a defensive one, a modern defensive midfielder with some ball skill. Ron Vlaars game is a defensive one yet he scored from 25 yards against Sunderland but you're right Delph will never score in the prem. Ron Vlaar is almost a playmaking centre-back. He's from Netherlands so is more technical than the average British centre back. Baker doing that would be spectacular. The fact that Clark can and has scored long-rangers for Villa shows the kind of player he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I think Delph can add goals to his game. He has a powerful shot on him and can drive forward with the ball with purpose. He has a good turn of pace too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 We did not sign Delph to be a defensive midfielder, he didn't play that way at Leeds at all................ but yes we know he likes a tackle. We have only managed one full season out of the guy since he signed and he was pretty decent when he got a run in the team, but at the time he broke through we needed more steel in the middle, as defensively we were shocking. I'm sure if we actually manage to stop conceding **** ridiculous goals this season and we settle as a mid table team a bit, we'll see much more from Delph's game. We've seen that he wants to get forward and that should tell you everything you need to know right now. True but players evolve their game over time, especially if they adaptable, and committed hard workers. It wouldn't surprise me if the coaches have redesigned Delph's game from the kind of player he was at Leeds. That was a long time ago now. Delph is far better defensive midfielder than Reo-Coker, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandaMac Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 you think Delph will score as many goals this season as Ramires scored for the Chelsea team last year? his place in the team doesn't rest on him being able to score goals. don't know why you want to put that pressure on him. Delph is our non-defensive outfielder who doesn't score yet still can deserve his place. teams always have one of those. No, two different players. The point we were discussing was, Delph might as well be wearing boots made by Toblerone, he won't score in the Premier League. You can have a much lower expectation of Delph scoring than Bannan and the fact he doesn't matters less than Bannan not scoring because Delph's game is a defensive one, a modern defensive midfielder with some ball skill. Ron Vlaars game is a defensive one yet he scored from 25 yards against Sunderland but you're right Delph will never score in the prem. Ron Vlaar is almost a playmaking centre-back. He's from Netherlands so is more technical than the average British centre back. Baker doing that would be spectacular. The fact that Clark can and has scored long-rangers for Villa shows the kind of player he is. What has Clark and Baker got to do with this? My point was if Vlaar can score a prem goal, why can't Delph? You've already said that Delph is good on the ball so he has as much if not more technical ability than Vlaar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) What has Clark and Baker got to do with this? My point was if Vlaar can score a prem goal, why can't Delph? You've already said that Delph is good on the ball so he has as much if not more technical ability than Vlaar. Interesting question. Answer is, Vlaar had more time and space to score his long range goal because he was a centre-back bursting forward from the centre of our defence. Delph, can only burst forward from middle of midfield. Big difference. Why? Nobody plans for a centre-back bursting forward. Nobody there to mark him or close him down. Time and space is something the goal scoring midfielder needs create for themselves because they don't get much of it in the Premier League. Delph can't score without it. Or with it, if you consider the effort skewed wide from 12 yards against QPR! Edited July 20, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandaMac Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) What has Clark and Baker got to do with this? My point was if Vlaar can score a prem goal, why can't Delph? You've already said that Delph is good on the ball so he has as much if not more technical ability than Vlaar. Interesting question. Answer is, Vlaar had more time and space to score his long range goal because he was a centre-back bursting forward from the centre of our defence. Delph, can only burst forward from middle of midfield. Big difference. Why? Nobody plans for a centre-back bursting forward. Nobody there to mark him or close him down. Time and space is something the goal scoring midfielder needs create for themselves because they don't get much of it in the Premier League. Delph can't score without it. Or with it, if you consider the effort skewed wide from 12 yards against QPR! But you've already alluded to Delphs dribbling ability which would make him one of the better bets to score from midfield. I've seen time and again that Delph has the ability to go past players which means he's actually pretty good at making space for himself. Oh and as for his miss against QPR, if someone misses a penalty does this mean they will never score one again? Edited July 20, 2013 by PandaMac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) But you've already alluded to Delphs dribbling ability which would make him one of the better bets to score from midfield. I've seen time and again that Delph has the ability to go past players which means he's actually pretty good at making space for himself. Delph too often dribbles out of trouble, then into trouble again, forcing him to pass the ball backwards 40 yards to Guzan, thus negating the whole purpose of dribbling the ball forwards. He creates space, doesn't realise he has it, runs into a crowd, knocks it backwards so we don't lose possession. Anyway, if you look at other successful goalscoring midfielders in the PL, how many have Delph's attributes? Here's a list of the top 10 goal scoring midfielders from last season (lowest scored 7 goals) Bale Lampard Mata Cazola Fellaini Nolan Gerrard Dempsey Toure Robson-Kanu The top scoring defensive midfielder - like Delph (with six goals) Gardner What do the top 10 goal scoring midfielders have in common? 8/10 are over 6' tall and powerful. Delph is 5'9 and weighs less than Barry Bannan. The two shorties Mata and Carzola are Spanish technical attacking midfielders who are pushed well forward all the time and don't defend at all. Completely different game to Delph's. You can only compare Delph to Gardner. Arguably Delph has a defensive better game than Gardner, but long shots? Gardner is far better. Edited July 20, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandaMac Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I'm not saying Delph is a goal scoring midfielder. I don't expect him to be in the top 10 midfield goalscorers. What I do think is that he can chip in with a few goals. Do you believe Bannan will ever score from open play in the prem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 I'm not saying Delph is a goal scoring midfielder. I don't expect him to be in the top 10 midfield goalscorers. What I do think is that he can chip in with a few goals. Do you believe Bannan will ever score from open play in the prem? Seriously, please stop baiting him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandaMac Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 (edited) Eh fine. I'm going to bed. This is why I stay out of the Bannan thread. Edited July 20, 2013 by PandaMac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Delph seemed to have a decent shot on him at Leeds and scored a few, I'm hoping he can knock in 5 or 6 next season from midfield . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Delph too often dribbles out of trouble, then into trouble again, forcing him to pass the ball backwards 40 yards to Guzan This looks like the kind of stupid exaggeration you get so worked up about when used to criticise Bannan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikantcpell Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Delph was outstanding towards the end of last season..think he will be a very important player this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Delph impressed in a defensive role, which includes carrying the ball forward to give it on (although he passes a long way backwards too often). Delph seemed to have a decent shot on him at Leeds and scored a few, I'm hoping he can knock in 5 or 6 next season from midfield . This is the completely unreasonable, groundless, expectation that I think needs a correction. Delph is not that kind of player. He won't out-score Craig Gardner, Adam Johnson, Aaron Lennon, James Milner and David Silva. I'd set his target at 1 goal. That is equivalent to Gareth Barry or Michael Carrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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