The_Steve Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, bobzy said: The contact obviously has a consequence. The clip leads Grealish's leg to go into his other leg. It doesn't particularly matter how slight or that Grealish has engineered it by running across Ramsey - there's a clip and it's enough to put him off balance. VAR is never ever going to overturn that. Except that there’s minimal at best contact. Nothing that would make him stumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, The_Steve said: Except that there’s minimal at best contact. Nothing that would make him stumble. I think if you're running and got your ankle/foot clipped, even slightly, it would make you off balance. I can easily see why Grealish's leg would deflect onto his other leg. It's not a dive or cheating (unlike Ashley Young for Man Utd), but it shouldn't be given as a penalty IMO because there's no intent from Ramsey at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 We're a mid table team that will finish mid table. Honestly who gives a shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 26 minutes ago, bobzy said: But what's he meant to do? Get clipped and not make it known? He gets a slight clip and goes down - he's going to appeal for a penalty. Literally every footballer would. Except Leon Bailey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Just now, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Except Leon Bailey If he was touched he probably would have. I don't like the way the commentators were saying "he should have hit the deck"; no, he shouldn't have because he wasn't fouled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 29 minutes ago, bobzy said: VAR is never ever going to overturn that. 100% agree If you think VAR is overturning that rather than agreeing with it you're watching a different sport to me Whether or not you think that's right or wrong is something different but top 6 at home in 2023 that's a stone wall penalty, whether or not you think Bailey gets that penalty at the other end off KDB again is something different but absolutely not a chance is VAR overturning the Grealish decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, bobzy said: If he was touched he probably would have. I don't like the way the commentators were saying "he should have hit the deck"; no, he shouldn't have because he wasn't fouled Bailey was different in that he didn't engineer contact when he probably could have done, he knocked the ball around the tackle and then stepped around the tackle too, he shouldn't just fall over and properly dive but the leg was there to run towards rather than away from Grealish, kane, salah etc all step in to the tackle and win the pen, Bailey was too honest for his own good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, villa4europe said: Bailey was different in that he didn't engineer contact when he probably could have done, he knocked the ball around the tackle and then stepped around the tackle too, he shouldn't just fall over and properly dive but the leg was there to run towards rather than away from Grealish, kane, salah etc all step in to the tackle and win the pen, Bailey was too honest for his own good Yeah, maybe - I haven't watched it back, but it didn't feel like KDB had left a leg in or anything; I thought his tackle came up short (hi KW) and Bailey was past him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 13, 2023 It's one of those that get given - it shouldn't, the forward has initiated the contact with the defender by suddenly moving across him, slowing and leaving a leg hanging backwards to get a nick off the defender - it's a kick-the-defender-and-go-down penalty. They shouldn't get given, if anything it's a foul by the forward - but if you're in the box and on the ball and you manage to clip a man behind you, you'll always get those. It's his job, it's what he does, find ways to create chances for the team he's playing for. Tis what it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 13, 2023 In fairness to Ramsey he very nearly manages to slow enough not to catch him. I think the only thing the defender can really do in those situations is jump as high as they can and hope the forward has already gone down before they crash into their shoulders - if you can jump all the way over him there will be no contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, bobzy said: Yeah, maybe - I haven't watched it back, but it didn't feel like KDB had left a leg in or anything; I thought his tackle came up short (hi KW) and Bailey was past him. Ill to watch it again too, the one I've got in my head is grealish vs baggies where gibbs made a similar tackle and Grealish done him like a kipper, purposeful heavy touch so gibbs couldn't win the ball he can only foul him and then grealish leans in to his leg, it's an all dayer Can't moan too much about Bailey but he went round him to avoid contact instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: It's one of those that get given - it shouldn't, the forward has initiated the contact with the defender by suddenly moving across him, slowing and leaving a leg hanging backwards to get a nick off the defender - it's a kick-the-defender-and-go-down penalty. They shouldn't get given, if anything it's a foul by the forward - but if you're in the box and on the ball and you manage to clip a man behind you, you'll always get those. It's his job, it's what he does, find ways to create chances for the team he's playing for. Tis what it is. Damn, thought you were here to lock the thread, Hobbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 13, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, rjw63 said: Damn, thought you were here to lock the thread, Hobbit We'd miss you too much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: We'd miss you too much. Course you would, I'm the only sane poster in here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Are we allowed to start throwing abuse at his family until they turn in their season tickets now? Let some actual Villa fans come to Villa Park instead of those charlatans who were probably ever so proud of their son/brother stitching up “their club” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 How times change. The thread that was started by the player's brother has become 'are we allowed to start throwing abuse at his family?' At the end of the day it's just sport. Yes, he bought it, I was unimpressed. It's cheating. But we're going to finish in lower mid-table. It didn't even decide the game. An urgent need for some people to get outside and touch grass. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tomaszk Posted February 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, DJ_Villain said: Are we allowed to start throwing abuse at his family until they turn in their season tickets now? Let some actual Villa fans come to Villa Park instead of those charlatans who were probably ever so proud of their son/brother stitching up “their club” You come across like a genuine lunatic. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: How times change. The thread that was started by the player's brother has become 'are we allowed to start throwing abuse at his family?' At the end of the day it's just sport. Yes, he bought it, I was unimpressed. It's cheating. But we're going to finish in lower mid-table. It didn't even decide the game. An urgent need for some people to get outside and touch grass. Exactly… so he did it just to **** us (allegedly “his own”) over… and the fact that the thread was started by his brother is neither here nor there… I think it’s been proven by daddy and brother Jack that you can’t trust anything a Grealish says or does… so put them all in the same basket… Apples not falling far from trees and all that… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 It's a game. Grow the **** up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: How times change. The thread that was started by the player's brother has become 'are we allowed to start throwing abuse at his family?' At the end of the day it's just sport. Yes, he bought it, I was unimpressed. It's cheating. But we're going to finish in lower mid-table. It didn't even decide the game. An urgent need for some people to get outside and touch grass. Yeah, I still can't bring myself to hate the guy. He did to us what he'd have done to any other opponent. Why should he change his M.O. just for us? We are simply at the wrong end now. It pissed me off yesterday but this morning I've got other actual real things that piss me off, not some goofy footballer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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