Stevo985 Posted April 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 24, 2014 I get that. And if the list was for impact of character, or importance of character then I'd probably agree. But if you're talking about characters as a whole then I don't think Omar can go as high as people like Stringer and Bodie. They're much more interesting and layered characters. Not saying Omar is a bad character of course. He's incredible. Just not top of the list for that show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) i think i understand what you're getting at stevo, stringer bell had a better character arc and they developed him more than they did omar, who i think they inadvertently flipped to an almost anti-hero once they realised how popular the character was with the viewers, from where it started to where it ends Omar doesnt actually develop that much despite being a hugely important character to the show, but Stringer Bell does Edited April 24, 2014 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 24, 2014 Yeah that's more or less it. I didn't really think there was much to Omar beyond what you find out pretty quickly. He's fearless, he robs drug dealers, he's a **** badass and he's gay, which is a great feature for him to have because it's so surprising for someone in that environment and that show. He's great, and I loved the character, but I guess I think he's just straightforward, if that makes sense. Whereas with Stringer, and especially Bodie, their characters never stop developing. Bodie in Episode One is so so different to Bodie at the end of the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Yeah that's more or less it. I didn't really think there was much to Omar beyond what you find out pretty quickly. He's fearless, he robs drug dealers, he's a **** badass and he's gay, which is a great feature for him to have because it's so surprising for someone in that environment and that show. He's great, and I loved the character, but I guess I think he's just straightforward, if that makes sense. Whereas with Stringer, and especially Bodie, their characters never stop developing. Bodie in Episode One is so so different to Bodie at the end of the show. Yep, going from being alive to dead is a life changing experience and a half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 24, 2014 Yeah that's more or less it. I didn't really think there was much to Omar beyond what you find out pretty quickly. He's fearless, he robs drug dealers, he's a **** badass and he's gay, which is a great feature for him to have because it's so surprising for someone in that environment and that show. He's great, and I loved the character, but I guess I think he's just straightforward, if that makes sense. Whereas with Stringer, and especially Bodie, their characters never stop developing. Bodie in Episode One is so so different to Bodie at the end of the show. Yep, going from being alive to dead is a life changing experience and a half well yes. I would have written "his last episode", but that would have been a bit of a spoiler. As it would have been if I'd just put "different to Bodie When he dies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (one of the best scenes in the series) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I get that. And if the list was for impact of character, or importance of character then I'd probably agree. But if you're talking about characters as a whole then I don't think Omar can go as high as people like Stringer and Bodie. They're much more interesting and layered characters. Not saying Omar is a bad character of course. He's incredible. Just not top of the list for that show. Yeah I know what you're saying, and I like I wrote before I understand liking a character more and finding one better or more interesting than the other and I tie that in with both the characters, Stringer and Bodie, being two very layered characters which shows they are well written and excellently performed. And I think a key thing with Bodie and Stringer was, that throughout the seasons, their characters developed arguably more than Omar's did, especially Bodie I'd say, who was very different in the end compared to when we first met him. And like you say, the list is not for characters who has made most impact or for importance, it's for 'Greatest', in the sense of entertainment factor, I think. Stringer, Bodie, Omar and in my opinion the vast majority of The Wire's characters all fit in with that. Omar Little has been an interesting character, or has had an interesting impact, that's probably a better way to have put it and so have Bodie and Stringer (And others). Omar is my favourite character, for his charisma, his shock factor, he had a dark sense of humour even when in extremely difficult and dangerous situations (Admittedly he did put himself in them), he went from being a shotgun carrying vigilante-Robin-Hood type character to a desperate imprisoned man with everyone who surrounded him out to get him and near the very end, a wounded animal, fighting for his survival in a more literal way than he had done before A man who played with fire, arguably sold out and betrayed certain people for what he perceived to be the right reasons, whilst believing his intentions were correct, outfoxing the biggest drug dealers over and over again until his luck ran out, like everyone's does in the end. All this whilst adhering to or under the mentality of a 'street code'. a mindset you found in a lot of the characters and one you find in real life too, albeit different 'codes' have different levels of strictness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Derek 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Carrie Bradshaw was ahead of Brienne of Tarth. I think they should fight to settle it. A transvestite donkey witch vs Brienne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Ziggy's duck deserves a place, top 5 I think... I'd put Ziggy's duck in second place. In front of Snot Boogie in third, but behind No Heart Anthony in first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Is 'Oz' worth watching? Yeah I'd say so. It used to be my favourite show, but that was before I discovered The Wire, and the shows that followed. I'm not sure if it may seem a little dated now. Plus the strength of HBO's output since does dwarf it in terms of quality. It'll be full of familiar faces though, and there's plenty of strong story lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I just need more J.K Simmons in my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I actually found Stringer Bell one of my least favourite characters in The Wire. But more importantly, that Murray Hewitt isn't higher is a travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I just need more J.K Simmons in my life. He's particularly good as Neo-Nazi gang leader Vern Shillinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 (edited) I actually rate Oz higher than The Wire up till about half way through season 4. Edited April 24, 2014 by packoman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 total films best 50 HBO characters - http://www.totalfilm.com/features/50-greatest-hbo-characters dont totally agree with it, number 4 in particular seems a really strange one, and i might be biased because its my favourite tv programme but i think paulie, tonys mom and possibly even ralph from the sopranos should be on there Where is Ari from Entourage?! easily my favourite character of all HBO characters. followed closely by Tyrion from GoT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Arrow Quality really? i think its a 'pass the time because nothing else is on' programme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Not seen it, but it sounds fabulous! It is. And by the way....stop copying me It's more of an 8pints tribute. I'm like the Reet Hot Chilli Peppers or By Jovi. Good Jovi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 total films best 50 HBO characters - http://www.totalfilm.com/features/50-greatest-hbo-characters dont totally agree with it, number 4 in particular seems a really strange one, and i might be biased because its my favourite tv programme but i think paulie, tonys mom and possibly even ralph from the sopranos should be on there Where is Ari from Entourage?! easily my favourite character of all HBO characters. followed closely by Tyrion from GoT. he is on there somewhere, late teens i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 24, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 24, 2014 total films best 50 HBO characters - http://www.totalfilm.com/features/50-greatest-hbo-characters dont totally agree with it, number 4 in particular seems a really strange one, and i might be biased because its my favourite tv programme but i think paulie, tonys mom and possibly even ralph from the sopranos should be on there That list is missing Gyp Rosetti.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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