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Archer to be top scorer as well as top wicket taker for England

 

Bollox, forget I said that

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would be funny if they could enforce the follow on and win by an innings and xxx runs after posting 179

 

but as Archer is now the best bowler in the world , i expect us to skittle them out for 40 in the second innings

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1 minute ago, PaulC said:

This is the day we lost the ashes, woeful should have made changes to the top order we didn’t because archer made us look better than we are, 

tbf we lost the ashes with the team selections before a ball as bowled

 

Pope , Curran x 2 , Virdi and Foakes to come in and make it a respectable 2- 2 series

 

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17 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

tbf we lost the ashes with the team selections before a ball as bowled

 

Pope , Curran x 2 , Virdi and Foakes to come in and make it a respectable 2- 2 series

 

Are you a Surrey fan by any chance? 

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48 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

tbf we lost the ashes with the team selections before a ball as bowled

 

Pope , Curran x 2 , Virdi and Foakes to come in and make it a respectable 2- 2 series

 

Maybe not Virdi or Tom but with you on the other three. Sam and Foakes should've been in already. Would consider Roy moving down the order but wouldn't be unhappy with Pope there. Not that any of this helps Surrey mind.

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I'd never have Bairstow at 3 in test cricket. Stokes for me. Let him become a total batter. 

I've been disappointed with Woakes this test. Had great conditions but didn't have a good day yesterday, and losing his wicket first ball after lunch was very poor. I think Curran offers more with the bat at the moment, but Chris is much the better bowler generally, so it's hard to call. If Anderson then returns, how do you rejig?

Anderson back in instead of Woakes probably, with Archer batting 8 means we need more reliability in the middle. I'd go with a proper opener - i.e. Sibley to go with Burns, play Stokes at 3 and let him be full batsman mode for the test, with only the occasional over or two. Root at 4, then depending on form ONE of Bairstow, Roy, or Buttler, then Foakes at 6, Curran at 7. ( Archer, Broad Anderson, Leach). Pope as an alternate middle order option too. 

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7 minutes ago, Rodders said:

I'd never have Bairstow at 3 in test cricket. Stokes for me. Let him become a total batter. 

I've been disappointed with Woakes this test. Had great conditions but didn't have a good day yesterday, and losing his wicket first ball after lunch was very poor. I think Curran offers more with the bat at the moment, but Chris is much the better bowler generally, so it's hard to call. If Anderson then returns, how do you rejig?

Anderson back in instead of Woakes probably, with Archer batting 8 means we need more reliability in the middle. I'd go with a proper opener - i.e. Sibley to go with Burns, play Stokes at 3 and let him be full batsman mode for the test, with only the occasional over or two. Root at 4, then depending on form ONE of Bairstow, Roy, or Buttler, then Foakes at 6, Curran at 7. ( Archer, Broad Anderson, Leach)

Limited sample but Bairstow averaged 38.83 in 6 inns batting at 3 earlier this year/late last year.

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Just now, tomsky_11 said:

Limited sample but Bairstow averaged 38.83 in 6 inns batting at 3 earlier this year/late last year.

I just don't think long term he has the desire to do that at test level. Particularly if he is also going to be a wicketkeeper ( although in my team that would be Foakes ), He loves opening in the ODI side and that's fine, I just think Stokes' temperament is more suited to taking that role on ( today's ludicrous wicket excepted!)

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13 minutes ago, Rodders said:

I just don't think long term he has the desire to do that at test level. Particularly if he is also going to be a wicketkeeper ( although in my team that would be Foakes ), He loves opening in the ODI side and that's fine, I just think Stokes' temperament is more suited to taking that role on ( today's ludicrous wicket excepted!)

He doesn't have a desire to give up keeping at test level but when Foakes is behind him and it affects his batting as it does he shouldn't really have a choice. If he's at 3 then there's no chance he's keeping.

Might be interesting to try Stokes there, though is unproven. Only one test innings at 3. Nov 2018 in Sri Lanka. Out for 19. Has two innings at 4. 29* and 2. At least Bairstow has shown he is capable there in the innings he's had.

 

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1 minute ago, tomsky_11 said:

He doesn't have a desire to give up keeping at test level

He basically whinged and moaned every minute until he got the gloves back

after the Windies the selectors said the Baristow batting at 3 experiment was over  ..so on that basis of his weak keeping and loss of batting form he should be out

 

 

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Pope was the replacement for Roy wasn't he so I don't think Sibley will get his chance. Cant see wholesale changes. Our top order hasn't been good in ages has it, apart from Foot. They used to get bailed out by Bairstow, Buttler and Moeen time and time again. But those three have no form because of lack of red ball cricket going into this series. 

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Quelle surprise, the ODI specialist batsmen have been gash again. 

Roy is finished and by keep playing him in tests, you'll probably break his spirit. Drop him now and keep him as the one day specialist he is. Buttler is garbage in tests... they obviously have no confidence in him as he was pushed down to 7 in this game. **** him off as well.

As for the others, Root is a garbage captain and it is affecting his batting. I was going to have a moan about Denly but he was our highest scorer! Its that bad i'm thinking about Vince coming back! Least he got into his 20's and 30's before he threw his wicket away with a stupid wafty shot.

Bairstow is struggling as well but i'd keep him in as a specialist batsman at the moment. Take the gloves off him and give them to Foakes. If he cries about that, which he probably would, then bin him off. 

Pope to come in and possibly Sibley as Burns partner. Maybe Ballance as he can actually score runs in a red ball environment. 

Maybe getting spanked 4-0 will make the Representatives for Wellingborough at the ECB realise it was at fault for neglecting the longer format of the game for so long. I doubt it, they're too busy trying to make people care about the 'Hundred' 

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