Dodgyknees Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 The game against Ireland had me concerned. I put £10 on a 3-1 loss. Not sure we will even get one win. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) Archer to be top scorer as well as top wicket taker for England Bollox, forget I said that Edited August 23, 2019 by rjw63 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Out putting up the periscope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) Australia to bat until late tomorrow and declare on 550 for 4 (or be bowled out before the end of the day for 100 themselves). Edited August 23, 2019 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 would be funny if they could enforce the follow on and win by an innings and xxx runs after posting 179 but as Archer is now the best bowler in the world , i expect us to skittle them out for 40 in the second innings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 This is the day we lost the ashes, woeful should have made changes to the top order we didn’t because archer made us look better than we are, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, PaulC said: This is the day we lost the ashes, woeful should have made changes to the top order we didn’t because archer made us look better than we are, tbf we lost the ashes with the team selections before a ball as bowled Pope , Curran x 2 , Virdi and Foakes to come in and make it a respectable 2- 2 series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milfner Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: tbf we lost the ashes with the team selections before a ball as bowled Pope , Curran x 2 , Virdi and Foakes to come in and make it a respectable 2- 2 series Are you a Surrey fan by any chance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 18 single figure scores across the first innings... doesn’t show either team well, we’re just worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: tbf we lost the ashes with the team selections before a ball as bowled Pope , Curran x 2 , Virdi and Foakes to come in and make it a respectable 2- 2 series Maybe not Virdi or Tom but with you on the other three. Sam and Foakes should've been in already. Would consider Roy moving down the order but wouldn't be unhappy with Pope there. Not that any of this helps Surrey mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Burns Sibley Bairstow Root Stokes Roy/Pope Foakes S Curran Archer Broad Leach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Tom is out for the season isn’t he. I like Foakes. A proper keeeper not a manufactured one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) I'd never have Bairstow at 3 in test cricket. Stokes for me. Let him become a total batter. I've been disappointed with Woakes this test. Had great conditions but didn't have a good day yesterday, and losing his wicket first ball after lunch was very poor. I think Curran offers more with the bat at the moment, but Chris is much the better bowler generally, so it's hard to call. If Anderson then returns, how do you rejig? Anderson back in instead of Woakes probably, with Archer batting 8 means we need more reliability in the middle. I'd go with a proper opener - i.e. Sibley to go with Burns, play Stokes at 3 and let him be full batsman mode for the test, with only the occasional over or two. Root at 4, then depending on form ONE of Bairstow, Roy, or Buttler, then Foakes at 6, Curran at 7. ( Archer, Broad Anderson, Leach). Pope as an alternate middle order option too. Edited August 23, 2019 by Rodders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rodders said: I'd never have Bairstow at 3 in test cricket. Stokes for me. Let him become a total batter. I've been disappointed with Woakes this test. Had great conditions but didn't have a good day yesterday, and losing his wicket first ball after lunch was very poor. I think Curran offers more with the bat at the moment, but Chris is much the better bowler generally, so it's hard to call. If Anderson then returns, how do you rejig? Anderson back in instead of Woakes probably, with Archer batting 8 means we need more reliability in the middle. I'd go with a proper opener - i.e. Sibley to go with Burns, play Stokes at 3 and let him be full batsman mode for the test, with only the occasional over or two. Root at 4, then depending on form ONE of Bairstow, Roy, or Buttler, then Foakes at 6, Curran at 7. ( Archer, Broad Anderson, Leach) Limited sample but Bairstow averaged 38.83 in 6 inns batting at 3 earlier this year/late last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, tomsky_11 said: Limited sample but Bairstow averaged 38.83 in 6 inns batting at 3 earlier this year/late last year. I just don't think long term he has the desire to do that at test level. Particularly if he is also going to be a wicketkeeper ( although in my team that would be Foakes ), He loves opening in the ODI side and that's fine, I just think Stokes' temperament is more suited to taking that role on ( today's ludicrous wicket excepted!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Rodders said: I just don't think long term he has the desire to do that at test level. Particularly if he is also going to be a wicketkeeper ( although in my team that would be Foakes ), He loves opening in the ODI side and that's fine, I just think Stokes' temperament is more suited to taking that role on ( today's ludicrous wicket excepted!) He doesn't have a desire to give up keeping at test level but when Foakes is behind him and it affects his batting as it does he shouldn't really have a choice. If he's at 3 then there's no chance he's keeping. Might be interesting to try Stokes there, though is unproven. Only one test innings at 3. Nov 2018 in Sri Lanka. Out for 19. Has two innings at 4. 29* and 2. At least Bairstow has shown he is capable there in the innings he's had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, tomsky_11 said: He doesn't have a desire to give up keeping at test level He basically whinged and moaned every minute until he got the gloves back after the Windies the selectors said the Baristow batting at 3 experiment was over ..so on that basis of his weak keeping and loss of batting form he should be out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Pope was the replacement for Roy wasn't he so I don't think Sibley will get his chance. Cant see wholesale changes. Our top order hasn't been good in ages has it, apart from Foot. They used to get bailed out by Bairstow, Buttler and Moeen time and time again. But those three have no form because of lack of red ball cricket going into this series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 In a series with shit batting, the Aussie concussion sub has turned out to be decent England need a batting leader, somebody to stick around 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Quelle surprise, the ODI specialist batsmen have been gash again. Roy is finished and by keep playing him in tests, you'll probably break his spirit. Drop him now and keep him as the one day specialist he is. Buttler is garbage in tests... they obviously have no confidence in him as he was pushed down to 7 in this game. **** him off as well. As for the others, Root is a garbage captain and it is affecting his batting. I was going to have a moan about Denly but he was our highest scorer! Its that bad i'm thinking about Vince coming back! Least he got into his 20's and 30's before he threw his wicket away with a stupid wafty shot. Bairstow is struggling as well but i'd keep him in as a specialist batsman at the moment. Take the gloves off him and give them to Foakes. If he cries about that, which he probably would, then bin him off. Pope to come in and possibly Sibley as Burns partner. Maybe Ballance as he can actually score runs in a red ball environment. Maybe getting spanked 4-0 will make the Representatives for Wellingborough at the ECB realise it was at fault for neglecting the longer format of the game for so long. I doubt it, they're too busy trying to make people care about the 'Hundred' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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