The_Rev Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 He's back! Scored yesterday as Atletico beat Seville 4-0. It's crazy that Atletico arent top of the table either, 34 points from 13 games would see them four points clear in England, two points clear with a game in hand in Italy, four points clear with a game in hand in France, and joint top with Bayern (who are making big news with how good their start to the season has been) in Germany. But in Spain? Nope. Not top. I know people are running out of superlatives for Barcelona but they dont appear to be missing Pep at all. They have made the best start to a season in their history, P13, W12, D1, and the game the drew was a "good" point at home to Real Madrid. They are on for a 100 point season, which is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 26, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2012 Messi's scored at least 2 goals in 27 of his last 38 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Yep, they aren't missing pep it seems. Pretty much already won the league, bare any collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Just looking at his stats, he is now up to 237 goals in his last 239 games for Barcelona. I think the opening day of the 2008/09 season is a clear turning point in Messi's career, and that was 239 games ago now. Why is it a turning point? Well, it's the first game after Barcelona sold Ronaldinho, gave Messi the number 10 shirt and made him the focal point of the team. Before that he was used in a deeper role, almost as an orthodox midfielder at times and stuck out wide on other occasions and he still managed 42 in 110, which I think is an acceptable ratio for an experienced centre forward, let alone a midfielder who had played most of those games as a teenager. It's mental that we accept these stats as normal too. Six or seven years ago people would have laughed if somebody had said a player would be so prolific over such a long period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Yeah his stats really are sensational, especially when you consider the things you mentioned Rev.. Best player to ever play the Game IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 26, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2012 Just looking at his stats, he is now up to 237 goals in his last 239 games for Barcelona. I think the opening day of the 2008/09 season is a clear turning point in Messi's career, and that was 239 games ago now. Why is it a turning point? Well, it's the first game after Barcelona sold Ronaldinho, gave Messi the number 10 shirt and made him the focal point of the team. Before that he was used in a deeper role, almost as an orthodox midfielder at times and stuck out wide on other occasions and he still managed 42 in 110, which I think is an acceptable ratio for an experienced centre forward, let alone a midfielder who had played most of those games as a teenager. It's mental that we accept these stats as normal too. Six or seven years ago people would have laughed if somebody had said a player would be so prolific over such a long period of time. Yeah, I remember a while back seeing Brian Clough's stats as a striker (251 goals in 274 games IIRC) and thinking you just wouldn't see that happening at the top level these days. And lo an behold, we are seeing that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 V. Impressive Barcelona's fabled La Masia academy scored another triumph on Sunday when the Liga giants fielded an entirely homegrown team during their 4-0 Liga victory against Levante. History was made in the 14th minute when coach Tito Vilanova sent on Martin Montoya to replace the injured Dani Alves - completing a team full of La Masia products for the first time in the modern era. Not even Vilanova's predecessor Pep Guardiola managed the feat, fielding a maximum of nine homegrown players at any time. Brazilian substitute Adriano Correia broke the monopoly in the 75th minute, by which time Barca were four goals to the good. Although every player was an academy product, that's not to say all were born within a stepover or two of the Camp Nou. Lionel Messi hails, of course, from Argentina but moved to Barcelona aged 12. Pedro Rodriguez is from Tenerife, while Andres Iniesta's childhood home of Fuentealbilla is closer to Real Madrid's Santiago Bernabeu stadium than to Barcelona. And three of last night's players flew the nest - costing Barca a fortune to re-sign them. Gerard Pique (Manchester United), Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal) and Jordi Alba (Valencia) all spent time away from Barcelona, who paid a combined £40 million to bring them back under their wing. Nevertheless, it is a remarkable feat in an increasingly cosmopolitan game. By contrast, the Chelsea team that played Manchester City on Sunday contained just one Englishman (Ashley Cole) and no products of the club's youth academy. [url="http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/pitchside-europe/barcelona-field-entirely-homegrown-team-093237514.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 He's scored 2 in a game 11 times this season I think, I bet he's annoyed not to have more then 1 hat trick. I'd be interested to see the stats on how many games Messi scores in per season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 One man team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Espanyol have sacked Mauricio Pochettino. This now means, amazingly, that Jose Mourinho is the longest serving manager in La Liga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Yeah his stats really are sensational, especially when you consider the things you mentioned Rev.. Best player to ever play the Game IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Di Stefano was better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Di Stefano wasn't fit to lace Maradona's boots. Makes you wonder how many Maradona would have scored with the likes of Xavi and Iniesta behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 Di Stefano wasn't fit to lace Maradona's boots. LOL sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I've never met so many Di Stefano advocates in all my life, I guess many on here have seen that Football's Greatest episode. It's also hard to find an Englishman who thinks Maradona is the greatest ever, odd that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted November 26, 2012 Author VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2012 V. Impressive [quote[ Barcelona's fabled La Masia academy scored another triumph on Sunday when the Liga giants fielded an entirely homegrown team during their 4-0 Liga victory against Levante. History was made in the 14th minute when coach Tito Vilanova sent on Martin Montoya to replace the injured Dani Alves - completing a team full of La Masia products for the first time in the modern era. Not even Vilanova's predecessor Pep Guardiola managed the feat, fielding a maximum of nine homegrown players at any time. Brazilian substitute Adriano Correia broke the monopoly in the 75th minute, by which time Barca were four goals to the good. Although every player was an academy product, that's not to say all were born within a stepover or two of the Camp Nou. Lionel Messi hails, of course, from Argentina but moved to Barcelona aged 12. Pedro Rodriguez is from Tenerife, while Andres Iniesta's childhood home of Fuentealbilla is closer to Real Madrid's Santiago Bernabeu stadium than to Barcelona. And three of last night's players flew the nest - costing Barca a fortune to re-sign them. Gerard Pique (Manchester United), Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal) and Jordi Alba (Valencia) all spent time away from Barcelona, who paid a combined £40 million to bring them back under their wing. Nevertheless, it is a remarkable feat in an increasingly cosmopolitan game. By contrast, the Chelsea team that played Manchester City on Sunday contained just one Englishman (Ashley Cole) and no products of the club's youth academy. http://uk.eurosport....7514.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted November 26, 2012 Author VT Supporter Share Posted November 26, 2012 Di Stefano was better. I think people are missing the big yellow hint at the end of Rev's post here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Holy shit Ronaldo is quick. Check this from the Madrid derby this weekend. Gutted that didn end in a goal because it would have been brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 rumour in Marca that Mourinho gone from Real at end of season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Yeah, It's on The Guardian too. Wouldnt surprise me if he leaves, Mourinho has a track record of doing three or four years and moving on. I think he will end up in Manchester next, but whether it is M11 or M16 is anbodies guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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