sne Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Genie said: Deferred or reduced? Not sure. Quote What is an ERTE? Barcelona's move to cut wages has seen the Catalan club invoke what is called an 'ERTE' in Spain. That stands for "Expediente de Regulación Temporal de Empleo", which translates to Temporary Regulation of Employment Action. An ERTE is a temporary authorisation for a company through which employment contracts can be suspended for a certain time, with salaries reduced or even cancelled. Holiday days cannot usually be taken in this period, either. In Article 47 of the Workers' Statute Law in Spain, an ERTE is described as "suspension of the contract or reduction of working hours for economic, technical, organisational or production reasons or due to force majeure". Who will be affected by the ERTE at Barcelona? Barcelona's first-team players will be hit with wage cuts, as will the other sportsmen and women in the club's six sections: football, basketball, handball, futsal, roller hockey and amateur sports (which includes athletics, hockey, rugby, volleyball and more). The club's non-sporting employees will also be affected by the ERTE. How much of their wages will players lose out on? The proposal from the club is for Barcelona's players to have their wages reduced by 70 per cent. That means they would only take home 30% of their normal salary during this period of inactivity, but would earn as usual again once all activities resume as normal after the shutdown. https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/barcelona/fc-barcelona-wage-cuts-coronavirus-richest-club-salary-a4399921.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Genie said: What about if the clubs stopped paying players during the period where there were no games? Or if they paid them a reduced amount because of the clubs lost revenue due to lost ticked sales? Of course, a contract is a contract and they must be paid in full regardless because that part of the contract is non-negotiable. If Messi wanted out on a free he should have made it clear within the contracted time scale. He didn’t do it so he should take it on the chin like a man and either stick it out, or start negotiating a move with the club. Why do you think that particular date was chosen in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Genie said: No chance, especially at 33. Neymar €222 at 25 means that they can have him for 3-5 years and then get a chunk of that fee back again. Whatever is spent on Messi is gone forever. €100m like the fee Juve paid for Ronaldo at 33 seems reasonable. With Messi clubs will have to predict what the shirt sales / extra revenue will be to see if its worth the risk. I agree though, £700m is ludicrous for 33yo. £100m would seem ok. I still think Juve should bid for him... Messi and Ronaldo together. Its the only chance it will ever happen. Would their egos let it happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: Why do you think that particular date was chosen in the first place? Maybe it’s his sisters birthday? Of course it’s related to the end of the season but it’s just an unfortunate anomaly. If the clause was “x days after the last game” then it would be fine, but it isn’t. If someone has a clause in their contract for a bonus is the club wins a cup, would he give it up if he didn’t play in it? Of course not. He knew it was a date and decided against triggering it at the time, now it’s passed. He should take it like a man and prepare mentally for another season of hell on £1.7m a week in true Spanish sunshine. If someone makes a bid to buy him then good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 The thing with contracts is that they are designed to be taken literally, as written. They are not open to interpretation, what is written is how it is. With the season being extended Messi should have either: 1) Asked for an extension to the date in his contract beforehand. 2) Trigger the clause before it passed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Quote If all the conditions are met so that Manchester City and Leo Messi can agree and sign a contract that unites them for the next few years, the basis on which their relationship will be built is already underway. The contract will have a duration of five years, until June 30, 2025 , although Leo Messi will not play the five years at Manchester City, but will only do the first three. As of the 2023-2024 season, he would play in the North American subsidiary of the English team, the New Work City of Major League Soccer, as ESPN advanced. The footballer would charge in Manchester a very similar figure to the one he is currently charging at the Camp Nou. Specifically, and in gross terms, it would cost City to keep the Argentine '10' about one hundred million euros per year between taxes and salary. A total of 500 million during the duration of the contract of which half, approximately, would be for Leo Messi. However, the operation would end up having a total amount of 750 million euros . Where do these extra 250 million come from? There is one of the keys. After three seasons playing for Manchester City and in the Premier League, the player would become part of New York City, as explained by ESPN . And it would be precisely at this moment when Leo Messi would receive 250 million euros, an amount that would correspond to the transfer bonus that the English club would pay him now if he arrives free at Etihad. The problem is that this would mean breaking the financial 'Fair Play', so that amount is postponed until it can be incorporated into the transfer between New York City and Manchester City. https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/messi-manchester-city-contrato-cifras-8093126 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 It’s clear now why he’s being so aggressive in his pursuit to get out of his deal with Barcelona. €250m signing fee and €100m a year x 5 years for a 33 year old. Obscene. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 I can’t believe those figures, I think the figures would be insane but not to that level of insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, dudevillaisnice said: I can’t believe those figures, I think the figures would be insane but not to that level of insanity. Messi apparently does not consider himself a Barcelona player anymore. The sending of the fax formalised his departure from the club. I have a feeling it could be a disaster for Messi, and Man City. If he doesn’t settle in England (he doesn’t speak English does he?), gets injured or struggles to adapt to the premier league at 33 then the obscene wages could cripple the club... which might be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Wonder if this will eventually end up in courts, they’ll probably agree to let him go but by the looks of it they’ll make it as difficult as possible (probably to save face) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Barca are rightly docking his pay while he is having his little tantrum and refuses to show up for training. That's £80k per day he is not getting but he can afford it without even noticing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Genie said: Messi apparently does not consider himself a Barcelona player anymore. The sending of the fax formalised his departure from the club. I have a feeling it could be a disaster for Messi, and Man City. If he doesn’t settle in England (he doesn’t speak English does he?), gets injured or struggles to adapt to the premier league at 33 then the obscene wages could cripple the club... which might be funny. Not settling could happen, but he at least has the advantage of the manager and part of the board all being known to him already. Plus he is best mates with Aguero and City have a lot of spanish speakers. It is an insane amount of money, but to city owners its nothing. Plus with what is said about New York above, there will be ways around it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, sne said: Barca are rightly docking his pay while he is having his little tantrum and refuses to show up for training. That's £80k per day he is not getting but he can afford it without even noticing it. sounds a bit low since he is on over a million a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Zatman said: sounds a bit low since he is on over a million a week Bonuses and such maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Genie said: Messi apparently does not consider himself a Barcelona player anymore. The sending of the fax formalised his departure from the club. I have a feeling it could be a disaster for Messi, and Man City. If he doesn’t settle in England (he doesn’t speak English does he?), gets injured or struggles to adapt to the premier league at 33 then the obscene wages could cripple the club... which might be funny. the way he is acting the only justice is that he becomes a failure. I think both parties are acting quite pathetic about this but Messi has thrown a lot of tantrums in recent times mainly at Argentina. **** diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 31, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, dudevillaisnice said: Wonder if this will eventually end up in courts, they’ll probably agree to let him go but by the looks of it they’ll make it as difficult as possible (probably to save face) They may sell him but no way they will let him leave for free and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 31, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: the way he is acting the only justice is that he becomes a failure. I think both parties are acting quite pathetic about this but Messi has thrown a lot of tantrums in recent times mainly at Argentina. **** diva Not sure how Barca can be criticised. He is seeking to break the terms of his contract and leave on a free. It’s that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Not sure how Barca can be criticised. He is seeking to break the terms of his contract and leave on a free. It’s that simple. was more the way Barca have done business recently with a shitty transfer policy and poor boardroom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 31, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, Zatman said: was more the way Barca have done business recently with a shitty transfer policy and poor boardroom Yeah Barca have been poorly run but you said both parties are acting pathetic? I think Messi looks bad in this rather than Barca but those running Barca are largely responsible for how things have panned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 8 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: Not settling could happen, but he at least has the advantage of the manager and part of the board all being known to him already. Plus he is best mates with Aguero and City have a lot of spanish speakers. It is an insane amount of money, but to city owners its nothing. Plus with what is said about New York above, there will be ways around it. Yeah, it’s unlikely to happen as he’s such a special player. Just he has age against him, and a few other things. If he is on the wrong end of something like Wes was then the ludicrous money will be a ball and chain for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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