Greenfly Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 46 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: LMAO.... Comparing McGinn to Beckham I know right? Beckham was never on Meatball's level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Scholes quit international football early, he didn't publicly blame Beckham, but I think he meant him as a main culprit. It's a shame because Scholes was the far better footballer. Beckham was all about Brand Beckham, what Posh Spice did to him reminds me of Megan Markle and Harry. https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/Premier League/Why-Paul-Scholes-ended-his-England-career-at-the-age-of-just-29/2309104 Quote 'I just got fed up. When you are going to a team, you want to be part of a team and play well, but there are individuals who are after personal glory. That is the biggest problem with English players – most of them are too selfish.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 13 minutes ago, luckyeddie said: Scholes quit international football early, he didn't publicly blame Beckham, but I think he meant him as a main culprit. It's a shame because Scholes was the far better footballer. Beckham was all about Brand Beckham, what Posh Spice did to him reminds me of Megan Markle and Harry. https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/Premier League/Why-Paul-Scholes-ended-his-England-career-at-the-age-of-just-29/2309104 Always assumed that was Stevie Me and his 30 yard Roy of the Rovevs shots 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 27 minutes ago, Greenfly said: I know right? Beckham was never on Meatball's level. In your dreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 7, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2023 37 minutes ago, KentVillan said: For a couple of seasons he was pretty sublime in open play too True. I didn't just mean from set pieces. Because even in open play he had a knack of finding space and time to receive and trap the ball before crossing. He rarely hit those passes on the run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Always assumed that was Stevie Me and his 30 yard Roy of the Rovevs shots He said players, so it probably was him as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenfly Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, avfc1982am said: In your dreams I don't recall anyone ever saying Beckham was "better than Zidane". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard were all guilty of wanting to play the same roles they had always played, I think Scholes was fed up with the lot of them. The rest of the side were generally good team players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Greenfly said: I don't recall anyone ever saying Beckham was "better than Zidane". No but he was a far better player than McGinn is or will ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 4 hours ago, KentVillan said: Tbh watching the doc, it just confirms the view a lot of people (inc Ferguson) had at the time that his wife was part of the problem. She could have waited until after the Argentina game to tell him she was pregnant. There are various points throughout the whole thing where she seems to relish making him prioritise her ahead of the career that has made them so wealthy and famous. And she could never sing either. Hoddle was a bit of a prick about it all, but he’s been deliberately cast as a villain for dramatic effect. I think @Zatmanis being overly harsh on him, as he was a world class player in his prime, but the England team was definitely built around him for far too long, when he just wasn’t the kind of player you could build a team around. I think it’s easy to forget just how famous the Spice Girls were in that era. She was the bigger celebrity than him when they got together imo, or on an equal footing at the very least. Not to argue with any of the points you’re making, but I don’t think you can claim she was only famous because she married Beckham (although their wealth probably does mostly comes from him). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: I think it’s easy to forget just how famous the Spice Girls were in that era. She was the bigger celebrity than him when they got together imo, or on an equal footing at the very least. Not to argue with any of the points you’re making, but I don’t think you can claim she was only famous because she married Beckham (although their wealth probably does mostly comes from him). For sure, but you detect a hint of … resentment perhaps, that he was famous for being good at something, and she had basically won the fame lottery. I wonder if that’s why she’s so dismissive of football. IMO not a very likeable person, but whatever, they obviously seem happy together 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 7, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2023 14 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: I think it’s easy to forget just how famous the Spice Girls were in that era. She was the bigger celebrity than him when they got together imo, or on an equal footing at the very least. England football captain marries girl group popstar? Pffft. Billy Wright and Joy Beverley did that in 1958. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 3 hours ago, rjw63 said: Hypnotizing that, the way she turns round and looks at the camera, can't stop watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 10 hours ago, foreveryoung said: Better than Ward Prowse? He said 'for a while' he was the best in the world at it, not 'nobody has ever been better since'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 17 hours ago, KentVillan said: For a couple of seasons he was pretty sublime in open play too His delivery of any kind of ball in the box was the best in the world, from deep, from a dead ball, on the run, from the 18 yard line, first time, after a touch. He absolutely was the best in the world at it. Watch a Ruud, Raul or R9 compilation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Because of his fame it’s forgotten just how good of a player he was. It wasn’t just his free kicks. He worked hard, he was pretty fast and had a nasty streak alongside delivering pure quality, the way he struck the ball was a joy to behold. Also blaming Victoria for the way he grabbed fame, he says in the documentary it’s what he wanted and he sort it out. I think marrying her is a result of that not the cause. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 18 hours ago, luckyeddie said: Scholes quit international football early, he didn't publicly blame Beckham, but I think he meant him as a main culprit. It's a shame because Scholes was the far better footballer. Beckham was all about Brand Beckham, what Posh Spice did to him reminds me of Megan Markle and Harry. https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/Premier League/Why-Paul-Scholes-ended-his-England-career-at-the-age-of-just-29/2309104 Watching some of the documentary I don't think that is the case. As @Zatman alluded probably more the shoe horning of other players in the side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted October 8, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, rodders0223 said: His delivery of any kind of ball in the box was the best in the world, from deep, from a dead ball, on the run, from the 18 yard line, first time, after a touch. He absolutely was the best in the world at it. Watch a Ruud, Raul or R9 compilation. Rolls Royce of a delivery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Nicho said: He worked hard, he was pretty fast and had a nasty streak alongside delivering pure quality, the way he struck the ball was a joy to behold He definitely wasn't fast. He couldn't go past a man to save his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, villa89 said: He definitely wasn't fast. He couldn't go past a man to save his life. He could in the early days at Utd. The pace went as he bulked up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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