MaVilla Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Apparently refs have said the goal getting chalked off was a mistake So evened itself out with carlos goal Edited November 9, 2023 by MaVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Apparently refs have said the goal getting chalked off was a mistake So evened itself out with carlos goal of course it was. It's beyond a **** joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Can anyone explain how it wasn't offside? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Apparently refs have said the goal getting chalked off was a mistake So evened itself out with carlos goal Think we might have won comfortably scoring early. Would've been different game 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, AV82 said: Can anyone explain how it wasn't offside? The AZ defender cleared the initial header off the line, which is a deliberate act so Bailey cannot be offside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 56 minutes ago, NeilS said: The AZ defender cleared the initial header off the line, which is a deliberate act so Bailey cannot be offside. i bet no media outlets make a remotely big deal of it like they have with "their fave teams", but if that moment had led to us losing, it could have really done us in. those kind of mistakes are unacceptable when you can freeze-frame and slow-mo the play. shocking tbh, its like the refs cant even see what is right in front of them even when the video is frozen or played at 10% speed. madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Thought he was good on the ball last night and should of had his goal. But he may be the slowest football player I’ve even seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 5 hours ago, MaVilla said: i bet no media outlets make a remotely big deal of it like they have with "their fave teams", but if that moment had led to us losing, it could have really done us in. Exactly. Had it been Man City, they would still be talking about it tomorrow afternoon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 55 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Thought he was good on the ball last night and should of had his goal. But he may be the slowest football player I’ve even seen. Indeed. A high line with Carlos and this guy severely lacks pace. Add to that the fact they're not as well practiced as our preferred choice and it will leave us more exposed in Europe. Their goal came directly from him not being able to even run as fast as the striker who was running with the ball. But he's a decent defender, can pick out a pass and had a goal incorrectly ruled out. Hopefully the more games he plays the better they get at playing together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Very good pick up this lad. Lost Mings which was a big blow but I think we've 4 very good fit CBs at the club right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, NeilS said: The AZ defender cleared the initial header off the line, which is a deliberate act so Bailey cannot be offside. Like I said in the other thread if the keeper saved it would it be classed as a deliberate act and still be offside? No The defender hasn't deliberately played the ball They've **** it big time, forget VAR the rules are terrible Edited November 10, 2023 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 48 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Like I said in the other thread if the keeper saved it would it be classed as a deliberate act and still be offside? No The defender hasn't deliberately played the ball They've **** it big time, forget VAR the rules are terrible Well he has, he headed it off the line thus saving a goal. His header fell to our player so our player should not be offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) When Watkins headed the ball Bailey was in an offside position so as soon as as the ball rolled to him he came involved in the play right? I don’t get how it’s not offside ? Its like if he was there to tap the goal in he would be offside too. Edited November 10, 2023 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 53 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Like I said in the other thread if the keeper saved it would it be classed as a deliberate act and still be offside? No The defender hasn't deliberately played the ball They've **** it big time, forget VAR the rules are terrible You are right, I had the same conversation with my Dad on the way out of the ground. By the letter of the law he is onside as in my opinion the defender makes a purposeful header, but the rule is broken as if the goalie saves it and it falls to him he would be classed as offside. They have tinkered so much with the rules over the years, that it makes no sense. It is so confusing, and there is always a scenario where the rule is a joke. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: When Lenglat headed the ball Bailey was in an offside position so as soon as it’s came to him he came involved in the play right? I don’t get how it’s not offside ? I dont know the rules either but I'd argue when Watkins heads the ball Bailey is not involved in the game. He becomes involved when their defender heads the ball to him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, NeilS said: You are right, I had the same conversation with my Dad on the way out of the ground. By the letter of the law he is onside as in my opinion the defender makes a purposeful header, but the rule is broken as if the goalie saves it and it falls to him he would be classed as offside. They have tinkered so much with the rules over the years, that it makes no sense. It is so confusing, and there is always a scenario where the rule is a joke. Wait are we saying a player clearing off the line isn’t the same as a goalie making a save? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Just now, Vive_La_Villa said: Wait are we saying a player clearing off the line isn’t the same as a goalie making a save? I am saying it should be the same, and it is the same, but the rules have been put in place that a deliberate attempt to play the ball by the defender makes Bailey onside again. It is a stupid rule, because if the goalie saved it and falls to a player in an offside position for a tap in that should/would be ruled out. They have tinkered so much with offside rule to get it right, but there will always be a scenario where it is wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Issue is no one knows what the bloody offside rule is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Anyway, I thought Lenglet and Carlos looked a very decent partnership last night. We are well covered in that department for now. My only concern was Lenglet caught out for the goal by the ball around the side of him, he has a warning a few minutes earlier which we got away with. I will cut him some slack though as he hasn’t played much, and even the best get caught out occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Wait are we saying a player clearing off the line isn’t the same as a goalie making a save? the refs are 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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