Keyblade Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 49 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Did we ever beat Burnley under Dyche at VP? Feel we battered them every game but couldn't win. Nope, haven't beat them at home since 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Tomaszk said: Did we ever beat Burnley under Dyche at VP? Feel we battered them every game but couldn't win. But it's not Burnley it's Everton and we always beat them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post picicata Posted August 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Marka Ragnos said: _________________Emi__________________ ________Carlos___________Pau___________ __Cash________Kamara_____________Digne ________________Dougie________________ ______Diaby__________________JPB_______ __________________Ollie________________ I mean, I'm hopeful that we can beat Everton on our own patch, but I still think I'd start with 11 players 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Think Emery will want us to tighten up considerably and as such I expect a very tight, dull game. Hoping for the win but expecting a 1-1 draw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted August 14, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, picicata said: I mean, I'm hopeful that we can beat Everton on our own patch, but I still think I'd start with 11 players Woops! Forgot McGinn. Can't really decide whether Kamara and Dougle should play as a pair of CDMs as a 2 or offset in a line with Dougie or Kamara in front. Also, Diaby and McGinn OR Diaby and JPB could switch out here, too. __________________Emi__________________ ________Carlos___________Pau___________ __Cash__________Kamara___________Digne ________________Dougie__________________ ______Diaby_____McGinn_______JPB_______ __________________Ollie________________ Edited August 14, 2023 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted August 14, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 14, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, picicata said: Think Emery will want us to tighten up considerably and as such I expect a very tight, dull game. Hoping for the win but expecting a 1-1 draw I think with Carlos and Torres playing RCB LCB and Cash and Dinge as full backs, there is some flexibility, too. But as in even the Valencia match, we've been getting exposed again and again on our wings and it's got to stop. It seems like many are worried about the high line, but I feel like regardless, we keep inviting wing pressure that ends up killing us. Edited August 14, 2023 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 One of Cash or Digne is getting dropped. They were both abysmal on Saturday and the principal reason playing out from the back was so disastrous. So one of Konsa or Torres are playing the Emery version of a Centre Back / Full Back. I'd guess it's Digne dropped so a back four of... Torres - Carlos - Konsa - Cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robby b Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Every season we play Everton in the first few games (the 2nd, 3rd or 4th game). I suppose it's just a coincidence because I think a computer decides the order of each team's games randomly, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robby b Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 3 hours ago, Don_Simon said: One of Cash or Digne is getting dropped. They were both abysmal on Saturday and the principal reason playing out from the back was so disastrous. Moreno please be recovering well and quickly! :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 5 hours ago, Tomaszk said: Did we ever beat Burnley under Dyche at VP? Feel we battered them every game but couldn't win. Nah. Lost 1-0 before the cup final in 2015. 2-2 in 2019 and then that mad 0-0 when we had about 30 shots the next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robby b Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 Perhaps it may have been better for us if Everton had won or drawn on Saturday and better too if they'd at least scored a goal. They'll now be desperate to score but also to avoid losing their first two games of the season. :s So I predict this will be a tough match for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilChameleon Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 I do believe I saw that USA Network will be airing this one. I'll update once NBC tweets out their schedule image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 Why the cup final thing again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 11 hours ago, Don_Simon said: One of Cash or Digne is getting dropped. They were both abysmal on Saturday and the principal reason playing out from the back was so disastrous. So one of Konsa or Torres are playing the Emery version of a Centre Back / Full Back. I'd guess it's Digne dropped so a back four of... Torres - Carlos - Konsa - Cash. Digne was marginally better than Cash who was absolutely abysmal. Pretty much every Newcastle chance came down that right hand side. Cash even got taken apart by Anthony flippin Gordon. Playing Bailey in front of him of course didn't help, but still. If we're dropping one of the full backs it has to be Cash. Hopefully we have a new right back lined up and Moreno isn't far off being fit. And I think Torres if he is to settle in quickly has to play in his favoured position, not at left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 I actually have no idea how we will line up defensively after Saturday's horror show, but this would probably be my team: .....................Martinez..................... ........Konsa.....Carlos.....Torres....... McGinn.....Luiz.....Kamara.....Digne Diaby...........Watkins............Zaniolo Choosing between Konsa and Cash was hard as they were our two worst defenders against Newcastle, but I think Konsa's consistency last season keeps him in and hopefully it was only a one off. Gone to a back three because I think we need to change something at the back without Mings, even if I'm not really a fan of a back three. When Ramsey and Moreno come back or we sign another player in defence maybe we change it back. I'm throwing Zaniolo right in because Bailey was the worst player on the pitch against Newcastle and I don't want to see him start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 15 hours ago, Don_Simon said: One of Cash or Digne is getting dropped. They were both abysmal on Saturday and the principal reason playing out from the back was so disastrous. So one of Konsa or Torres are playing the Emery version of a Centre Back / Full Back. I'd guess it's Digne dropped so a back four of... Torres - Carlos - Konsa - Cash. You stumbled on the issue we have with no Moreno. We don't have a (good) attacking wing back. Digne is better than Cash at it, but not good enough that we can then accommodate a very defensive right back, such as Konsa. But the same applies in revers, so putting Pau at left back and Cash at right back leaves us completely lacking in support from them further up the pitch. I'd argue its worse. Cash had a mare, so did konsa. So I see Konsa being moved to play right back (allowance for his great previous season). Cash dropped. Pau & Carlos in the middle. Digne on the left In midfield there isn't really anyone that played well at Newcastle, but we looked worse after changes were made. So I'd stick with the plan we had last time for the most part. Kamara and Luiz middle, McGinn on the left. But I'd bring Philogene in on the right in place of Bailey. Diaby and Watkins picks itself up top. Losing Mings is a tragedy, but making wholesale changes as a result won't help matters I don't think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrBlack said: You stumbled on the issue we have with no Moreno. We don't have a (good) attacking wing back. Digne is better than Cash at it, but not good enough that we can then accommodate a very defensive right back, such as Konsa. But the same applies in revers, so putting Pau at left back and Cash at right back leaves us completely lacking in support from them further up the pitch. I'd argue its worse. Cash had a mare, so did konsa. So I see Konsa being moved to play right back (allowance for his great previous season). Cash dropped. Pau & Carlos in the middle. Digne on the left In midfield there isn't really anyone that played well at Newcastle, but we looked worse after changes were made. So I'd stick with the plan we had last time for the most part. Kamara and Luiz middle, McGinn on the left. But I'd bring Philogene in on the right in place of Bailey. Diaby and Watkins picks itself up top. Losing Mings is a tragedy, but making wholesale changes as a result won't help matters I don't think We're saying the same thing, I think, You're just dropping Cash and I'm dropping Digne. Personally, I would drop Cash too as I think I rate Digne more than most. I just don't think Emery will do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 21 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: We're saying the same thing, I think, You're just dropping Cash and I'm dropping Digne. Personally, I would drop Cash too as I think I rate Digne more than most. I just don't think Emery will do that. Yes, I was talking through my logic for going the other way. There isn't really much in it for me. @gwi1890. The Kamara, Tielemans, Luiz experiment last game didn't seem to work well at all, although I think there were extenuating circumstances for that. Think we'll see it tried again when it's not in panic mode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 Just now, MrBlack said: Yes, I was talking through my logic for going the other way. There isn't really much in it for me. @gwi1890. The Kamara, Tielemans, Luiz experiment last game didn't seem to work well at all, although I think there were extenuating circumstances for that. Think we'll see it tried again when it's not in panic mode? It didn’t work at all but we are low on options unfortunately with Buendia and Ramsey out injured. That wide position requires energy and tenacity all three mentioned above are suited to building out of the back and receiving the ball in tight areas to beat the press out wide their lack of pace exposes them our system works around playing to our personnel’s strengths rather than exposing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanVilla Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 5 hours ago, Leeroy said: I actually have no idea how we will line up defensively after Saturday's horror show, but this would probably be my team: .....................Martinez..................... ........Konsa.....Carlos.....Torres....... McGinn.....Luiz.....Kamara.....Digne Diaby...........Watkins............Zaniolo Choosing between Konsa and Cash was hard as they were our two worst defenders against Newcastle, but I think Konsa's consistency last season keeps him in and hopefully it was only a one off. Gone to a back three because I think we need to change something at the back without Mings, even if I'm not really a fan of a back three. When Ramsey and Moreno come back or we sign another player in defence maybe we change it back. I'm throwing Zaniolo right in because Bailey was the worst player on the pitch against Newcastle and I don't want to see him start. Would like to see this. 442 out of possession this in possession. Think it’ll be too early to throw Zaniolo in so maybe Phil in his place. Quite a few unusually bad performances in the weekend but Cash and Bailey have proved over a long period they’re not good enough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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