Judge Mental's Sexism and Misogyny Topic

[DCJonah]

7 minutes ago, UpTheVilla26 said:

I'm judging her choice of clothing. 

I don't see Alex Scott as a sex object or any women for that matter. 

I'm judging her on the fact, of all the dresses in the world she could of worn, with how all these female ex-players and pundits have been on Radio/TV sounding off about men's sexist views concerning their involvement in football, she chose to wear that dress.

She's on a night out. She didn't wear that dress playing or working. They're not connected at all. 

Judging her professional work by what she wears on a night out is a ridiculous point of view. The two aren't connected at all. 

[DCJonah]

24 minutes ago, luckyeddie said:

Yes, we are at cross purposes. But I am going to stop now because this conversation is just going to descend.

Well the fact you've chosen to get angry about a dress and rip this person to shreds because of it on a public forum shows the kind of person you are. 

Hence my comparison to the toxic views shared by Andrew Tate. 

[bobzy]

6 minutes ago, UpTheVilla26 said:

What point? 

That if she goes out with her tits on display, she's going to get men commenting? 

What does she think is going to happen? 

I’d have thought anyone would comment as it’s a daring outfit.

The fact that (certain) blokes see an outfit as purely sexual is nothing to do with her and, if anything, would back the views that she may hold/express.

[UpTheVilla26]

Gentleman, we could discuss this all night and keep going round in circles. 

I respect the views others hold and they are different to myself and another poster on this topic. 

Don't go tarnishing people though, the whole Andrew Tate comment was ridiculous. 

I've got a ribeye to cook and a bottle of Malbec to pop open, so I'm dipping out - not because I've not got more to say on the matter but because we are literally debating with totally differing opinions and won't ever meet in the middle ground. 

[Mark Albrighton]

The last few pages really all belong in the sexism thread. As does this post.

For what it’s worth I think Alex Scott would accept that wearing a revealing dress would provoke some attention. 

Some of this attention she might appreciate (I don’t think she would be annoyed if someone said she looked “amazing” in the dress, or “beautiful” or “sexy” or whatever). Equally some of the attention I dare say she wouldn’t appreciate. 

When women in football like Scott talk about sexist comments in terms of attractiveness, I believe they are typically referring to comments within the context of the game. The sort of comment like “they should wear tighter shorts” from Sepp Blatter. Sexualised comments IN THE GAME. About them as footballers.

David Beckham (or equivalent) is able to attend a GQ event, model underwear, be seen as a sex symbol. But he’s also seen as a footballer and is regarded as such in the game. There’s very little discourse in the way of “Didn’t play well today, but those thighs…”.

I think Alex Scott and her peers would say that they are not afforded the same courtesy. On some level it’s “Yeah she played ok, but did she look hot today?”

 

To answer your question @luckyeddie, well it would depend on which family member it was. My daughter would provoke the strongest reaction so let’s hypothetically say her. 

If my daughter was in the public eye I would have already had to clear some mental hurdles in order to deal with the knowledge that her very being in the public eye would likely provoke some feedback. She could present Songs of Praise, wearing the most conservative clothing and yet still I would know there would be some comment likely being made on some forum somewhere.

That in itself would be difficult enough. But I’d have to accept because what’s the alternative?

So if I’ve cleared that hurdle and accepted some unwanted comments are coming regardless, I think accepting that if part of her career involves wearing little to the imagination from time to time would form part of that initial hurdle. Would I like it? No, not particularly. But again, what’s my alternative? Tell my adult daughter, who’s become a success, how to dress?

[osmark86]

2 hours ago, luckyeddie said:

Of course I am, it's called having an opinion. Try it some time rather than piggybacking on "everybody" else's.

Again no counter argument, just a rather patronising "your wrong", that sounds like something you read in a self help book.

You infered that her fashion choice was used as cover for her lack of skill. That is like saying engineers that wear baseball caps are only doing so to cover up their lack of technical expertise. It's a dumb argument, even if we cast gender aside.

I did allude to this in my earlier reply, you just glossed over it. 

Try having an opinion sometimes? And you call me patronizing? 

Edited November 17, 2023 by osmark86

[LondonLax]

This thread is awful. What is wrong with some of you guys. It boggles the mind. 

[Vive_La_Villa]

Everyone ganging up on @luckyeddie a bit here. He just giving his opinion on Alex Scott’s outfit, outrageous that he’s then been compared to Andrew Tate!

Edited November 17, 2023 by Vive_La_Villa

[Vive_La_Villa]

7 hours ago, The_Rev said:

Some mental gymnastics going on there.  Lineker once turned up to MotD in his boxer shorts.  

If those shorts were see through I reckon it would be a better comparison.  I get where you’re coming from though. 

[luckyeddie]

1 hour ago, osmark86 said:

You infered that her fashion choice was used as cover for her lack of skill. That is like saying engineers that wear baseball caps are only doing so to cover up their lack of technical expertise. It's a dumb argument, even if we cast gender aside.

I did allude to this in my earlier reply, you just glossed over it. 

Try having an opinion sometimes? And you call me patronizing? 

Do you honestly believe that your analogy of an engineer wearing a baseball cap is the same as AS wearing that dress? Comparing apples to oranges my friend. One is sexual, one is not.

 

[DCJonah]

43 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Everyone ganging up on @luckyeddie a bit here. He just giving his opinion on Alex Scott’s outfit, outrageous that he’s then been compared to Andrew Tate!

I don't think you've read his posts then. 

[DCJonah]

10 minutes ago, luckyeddie said:

Do you honestly believe that your analogy of an engineer wearing a baseball cap is the same as AS wearing that dress? Comparing apples to oranges my friend. One is sexual, one is not.

 

OK, so some successful lawyer, businessman, engineer etc.. goes on a night out dressed like a love island bloke with tight jeans and tight shirt. It's then OK to assume he's shit at his job and slate him in his chosen profession?

[Vive_La_Villa]

17 minutes ago, DCJonah said:

OK, so some successful lawyer, businessman, engineer etc.. goes on a night out dressed like a love island bloke with tight jeans and tight shirt. It's then OK to assume he's shit at his job and slate him in his chosen profession?

Wouldn’t a better comparison be if a football presenter / pundit that @luckyeddiedidnt think was good at his job went out dressed as you just said?  

[Xela]

I hate all this sexism and misogyny about Alex Scott. 

Anyway, I have seen the picture.

8/10 WB.

 

[tonyh29]

 

 she is also a role model for lots of young girls and boys and from that perspective, I wish role models set a better example … but I know that battle was lost years ago

Ultimately,  she can wear what she wants for a night out and shouldn’t have to suffer any abuse over it.

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by tonyh29

[chrisp65]

It’s why I always wear a vest.

[osmark86]

1 hour ago, luckyeddie said:

Do you honestly believe that your analogy of an engineer wearing a baseball cap is the same as AS wearing that dress? Comparing apples to oranges my friend. One is sexual, one is not.

 

...and neither have any bearing on a person's abilities.

Edit: honestly, if you just left it at "I found that dress awful, inappropriate and screaming for attention" I would have agreed with you. It's the rest you said that made it bonkers.

Edited November 17, 2023 by osmark86

[choffer]

We’ve still got a long way to go, chaps. 

[DCJonah]

18 minutes ago, osmark86 said:

...and neither have any bearing on a person's abilities.

Edit: honestly, if you just left it at "I found that dress awful, inappropriate and screaming for attention" I would have agreed with you. It's the rest you said that made it bonkers.

I think in his head and those that have agreed, think that's all he did. 

 

[Straggler]

12 hours ago, UpTheVilla26 said:

Just seen what Alex Scott wore to the GQ awards

Surely the BBC need to reprimand her for it? I don't see how these females presenters can waffle on about equality and men being sexist towards female pundits, then walk around like that?! 

 

Straight up the most sexist comment I have seen on this site. You have asked for a woman to be reprimanded by her employer for wearing an outfit on a night out that you have deemed indecent.

That is some Sharia law, morality police bs. You are 100% entitled to have your opinion on her fashion choices, but wanting her to be punished for wearing something you deem too revealing is the definition of sexist. It is how in some countries women end up having to wear head scarves or the burka. 

The policing of women's clothes is one of the most common forms of oppression and one of the main causes of harassment globally. Amnesty international have a paper called:

Women’s right to choose their dress, free of coercion

I'm going to quote a bit of it here, you can decide for yourself if you have fallen foul of any of it.

Amnesty international

Quote

Dress codes reflect and exacerbate discrimination
Norms associated with dress codes are often one way in which ideas and stereotypes
about gender identity and roles are conveyed in law, policy and practice. They often
impact much more heavily on women because states and other actors believe they are
entitled to regulate women’s dress as the symbolic embodiment of a community’s
values, whether or not these values are shared by the individuals on whom they are
enforced. 
Dress codes can be a manifestation of underlying discriminatory attitudes and reflect a
desire to control women’s sexuality, objectifying women and denying their personal
autonomy. 
Where women are subjected to violence or are stigmatized for not conforming with
dress codes, they may be told that the blame lies with them. Blaming victims in this
way is used as a pretext to reinforce the purported legitimacy of restrictions on dress.