Kiwivillan Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Lerner's Driver said: I didn't say how many players were turning us down, or comment on their quality, or even allude to the veracity of the individual rumours, but I did say players will be turning us down. Of course they will, we aren't going to be successful with every offer we make. And that is fine. That implies offers have even been tabled for a player to turn us down. I doubt many offers have even been made yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerner's Driver Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Kiwivillan said: That implies offers have even been tabled for a player to turn us down. I doubt many offers have even been made yet. I hear you and your technical point is more than likely accurate, not many offers will have been tabled, so not many (if any), will have been turned down. However, I am certain some of the exploratory talks we have engaged in will have become quite advanced, with the broad outline of the possible offer discussed, which in some cases will then have been rejected. The press conflates, exaggerates and yes, absolutely makes up most of the talk around the transfers you hear 'reported', but it isn't all lies and Villa are getting turned down by some players based on the indicative offer we have made! So, what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Reckon this gets confirmed this week. Be a great signing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 6 hours ago, Tomaszk said: I'm not sure at all. But there's a decent chance. Too big a chance for me to be "going big" on him. £30m fee + £30m in wages? Absolutely must succeed. I'd rather get a surer bet for less, even if it means the ceiling probably isn't as high. David Hancko or Piero Hincapie for example. It's hard enough to get attacking players, it's much harder for them if they're coming from outside the PL. Paying top dollar for a defender that isn't really suited to the PL is too big a risk to me. All trust in Unai. No question he's a good player. He's worth twice that, it's a fantastic deal. Only reason he's potentially so cheap is because he has one year left on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, Leeroy said: Reckon this gets confirmed this week. Be a great signing for us. As soon as Monchi gets behind his desk this will be raitified/completed. A big name signing will kickstart his tenure off nicely 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb7lZjtoaR7/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Maybe Emery has said to Pau he can share his Stone Island gear to secure the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 56 minutes ago, Zatman said: He will need about a year to adapt physically and no guarantee it will happen. He also can no longer get in the Spain squad either It happens, I'm pretty confident he'll get back in. Mings was dropped for over a year from England yet you'd still say he's a very good defender. Kamara can't get a game for France yet he's a brilliant player, Luiz hasn't been called up to Brazil for 2 years but was our best player last season. International callups are quite often, excuse my French, a load of b*llocks. Torres would be our best ball playing centre by far and perfect for the way Emery wants to play. But like you I'd prefer him to play alongside Mings rather than in place of him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted June 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 27, 2023 So if he signs for us can we call him “Paulie Bull”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Tomaszk said: I'm not sure at all. But there's a decent chance. Too big a chance for me to be "going big" on him. £30m fee + £30m in wages? Absolutely must succeed. I'd rather get a surer bet for less, even if it means the ceiling probably isn't as high. David Hancko or Piero Hincapie for example. It's hard enough to get attacking players, it's much harder for them if they're coming from outside the PL. Paying top dollar for a defender that isn't really suited to the PL is too big a risk to me. All trust in Unai. No question he's a good player. It’s all in the last sentence for me mate, if Unai wants him then then that’s good enough for me. I just have a very good feeling that he will be a success here, he adds a different profile to our selection of cb’s. Edited June 27, 2023 by Woody1000 Damn autocorrect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheMelvillan Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 Theres something collectively ingrained in us villa fans that we can't accept the idea of signing excellent players in positions where we already have excellent players and letting them fight for their position Is it just put recent history of mediocrity or a self deprecating thing Top teams fans don't get nervous when they sign top players to compete with who they already have . Arsenal fans won't be crying about signing havertz when they already have an abundance of attacking talent. We have to accept we are entering a new and improved phase of our existence where we need to be building a full squad of excellent players. Not 14 excellent players and a bunch of vaguely competent individuals to make up the numbers. Theres also a bit of sentimentality we can't shake where we have our favourites who have served us well and maybe don't deserved to be dropped for someone new. But I think we need to allow natural selection decide who deserved to be starting for Aston villa. It's something that needs to be earned, not given 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted June 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 27, 2023 I suspect it will be Carlos and Torres as our first choice CBs IF Carlos is back to full fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, villarule123 said: I suspect it will be Carlos and Torres as our first choice CBs IF Carlos is back to full fitness. No chance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I cannot see Mings being dislodged anytime soon. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted June 27, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 27, 2023 All the talk of displacing Mings and fighting for his place - which I think will bring him up a level again, I’d think Mings could learn from Torres despite Torres being the younger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Anything11 said: It is wild that you think these players are a "surer bet" than Torres. please explain As good as he is, I don't think Torres suits the Premier League. For a centre half he isn't especially dominant in the air or on the ground. Bit of a Lindelof. As we've seen for the last 4 years, if Mings doesn't play we look a mess - we need that presence. Be a very exciting signing if it comes off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Good way to derail season is introduce 2 CBs with no PL experience. Luckily Emery isn't that stupid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, villan-scott said: All the talk of displacing Mings and fighting for his place - which I think will bring him up a level again, I’d think Mings could learn from Torres despite Torres being the younger. Yes. Let's remember folks, when the Torres deal is completed we will have 4 great central defenders who will all be utilised throughout this busy season. I'm sure all 4 will be given equal minutes & games where possible. What the best central pairing will be will be a nice problem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Good way to derail season is introduce 2 CBs with no PL experience. Luckily Emery isn't that stupid Morning Mr Happy. Did Carlos or Konsa have any PL experience before we signed either of them?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, AvfcRigo82 said: Morning Mr Happy. Did Carlos or Konsa have any PL experience before we signed either of them?? Another pointless obfuscation of my argument. Mings and Konsa start next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, Kiwivillan said: Another pointless obfuscation of my argument. Mings and Konsa start next season Answer the question. Did Carlos or Konsa have any premier league experience before we signed them? If you're going to make ridiculous statements, atleast engage and back it up with the facts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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