ozvilla28 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Have said it before control your controllable our games not relying in teams. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Liverpool are dicks, however theirs is the only result so far that is unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa87 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Liverpool could still win next week and go out and get coefficient points. Same as West Ham. Think we need Arsenal to do the business though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) Liverpool can overturn a 3 goal deficit if they actually try. They beat Toulouse 5 - 1 for example after losing the first leg 3 - 2. Edited April 11 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 9 minutes ago, BG_Villa_Fan said: So the Villa win a european quarterfinal and instead of celebrating it I’m feeling horrible because Arsenal, Liverpool and West Ham couldn’t win. What has football turned into these days.. That says more about you than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Arsenal and City will both go through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post supermon Posted April 11 Popular Post Share Posted April 11 It's never a Liverpool European campaign without a comeback that the scouse will then talk about for millenia 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonIsAPlaceOnEarth Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 3 minutes ago, Villa87 said: Liverpool could still win next week and go out and get coefficient points. Same as West Ham. Think we need Arsenal to do the business though. That is true, but it’s the lost opportunity for future coefficient points in the next two rounds that will hurt us. I think you’re right, Arsenal vs Bayern is a playoff of sorts for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpablosaliceband Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 13 minutes ago, villa89 said: West Ham and Arsenal are the teams we really need to win. If they both go through its pretty much over. Can’t see west ham going through. Or Arsenal for that matter. Borussia going out would be a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 11 VT Supporter Share Posted April 11 A West Ham draw at home was about the best we could hope for before this tie as I've been saying, so nothing's changed there - in fact, that result tonight makes a standard 0-0 or 1-1 a very real possibility next week. A team that haven't lost a single game all season weren't going to lose to the Moyestermind, come on. Liverpool losing is the only surprise, but they can overturn that and it's not the end of the World if they don't as expected now as long as Bayern don't get past City in the SFs if they both get there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 6 minutes ago, AshVilla said: Liverpool can overturn a 3 goal deficit if they actually try. Agree. Also, even if they win next week 2-1 and go out, that's a +0.25. Decent chance of a Liverpool win regardless I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 So next week, pessimisticly City - win and through - +0.25 Arse - loss and out - 0.285 to germans West Ham - draw - and out - +0.125 to us, 0.142 to germans Liverpool - win - and out - +0.25 Us - draw - and through - +0.125 Atletico to beat Dortmund Germans - 17.213 England - 17.5 Leaves the the germans and us with x2 teams each left. You'd fancy city in the semis, and you'd fancy us to match BL's run. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viivvaa66 Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 15 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Arsenal and City will both go through. If Arsenal, ManC and us are going through, and Dortmund is knocked out, England will get the extra CL place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted April 11 Popular Post Share Posted April 11 26 minutes ago, Zatman said: Its sad, on brink of first European semi final in over 40 years and people sulking about the mythical Champions League as if its only event in town Exactly this. I'm bored of frigging 'coefficients' trying to get into a contest we'll almost certainly do quite poorly in instead of concentrating on the competition we're doing well in, and could yet win. Let's just be happy for a night! At the rate we get to this stage of European competitions, there are probably dozens reading this who won't get to see the next time. Chin up! 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alakagom Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 5 minutes ago, Jareth said: So next week, pessimisticly City - win and through - +0.25 Arse - loss and out - 0.285 to germans West Ham - draw - and out - +0.125 to us, 0.142 to germans Liverpool - win - and out - +0.25 Us - draw - and through - +0.125 Atletico to beat Dortmund Germans - 17.213 England - 17.5 Leaves the the germans and us with x2 teams each left. You'd fancy city in the semis, and you'd fancy us to match BL's run. Leverkusen gets extra 1 point for qualifying to semis which Conference League doesn't get 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 minute ago, Alakagom said: Leverkusen gets extra 1 point for qualifying to semis which Conference League doesn't get So do city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Watch city screw up now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 11 VT Supporter Share Posted April 11 Basically us and City go through and it's all to play for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alakagom Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: Watch city screw up now Don't think you can blame anyone losing to Real Madrid in the Champions League 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post omariqy Posted April 11 Popular Post Share Posted April 11 (edited) Right let's see where that leaves us. Germany - 16.786 England - 16.750 Scenario 1 - Probably realistic best case given what has happened 1. Man City v Real Madrid - Man City Win and go through 2. Bayern v Arsenal - Arsenal draw and go through on pens 3. Dortmund v Ath Madrid - Dortmund win the game but Ath Madrid go through on pens 4. Atalanta v Liverpool - Liverpool win the tie but go out 5. West Ham v Leverkusen - draw and West Ham out 6. Lille v Villa - Draw and Villa go through Points Totals Outlook The maximum Germany can get in this scenario is an additional 1.143 points. That is assuming Leverkusen win both Semi ties and win the final (assume they get a bonus point for winning the final). That is 18.608 points. That would mean England would need to get 0.697 or (5.576/8) points to move ahead. The lowest maximum we would get from Man City v Arsenal assuming both ties are drawn is 5 points. So we would just need Villa to draw one leg in the Semi final to go through in that scenario. Scenario 2 - Probably realistic middle to worst case given what has happened 1. Man City v Real Madrid - Man City Win and go through 2. Bayern v Arsenal - Arsenal draw and go out on pens 3. Dortmund v Ath Madrid - Dortmund win the game and go through 4. Atalanta v Liverpool - Liverpool win the tie but go out 5. West Ham v Leverkusen - Leverkusen go through by winning the second leg as well 6. Lille v Villa - Draw and Villa go through Points Totals Outlook This is where we are relying on us and Man City to get to the final and at least one of us to win it. Assume Leverkusen get to the final by drawing one leg, winning the other then win the final. Assume Dortmund lose both legs and go out. That would add 1 to their score (7 points divided by 7). Assume Bayern draw one leg against City i.e. 0.143 points. That leaves Germany on 19.037. Man City and Villa drawing one leg and winning the other adds another 1 point to ours (i.e 8 points divided by 8). So we are now on 18.661 with 2 English teams in the final. If Man City win and we lose then that is 3 points for England i.e. 0.375 points added - 19.036! We lose out by the barest of margins. I don't think there is any point doing a scenario where Bayern, Dortmund, Leverkusen all go through and only City go through from the English sides. In that scenario it's done. EDIT: Revised outlook for Scenario 2 due to there being no bonus point for winning the final Levrkusen - they would add 0.857 to Germany’s score Bayern - would add 0.143 Germany new score - 18.894 England new score - 18.911 Edited April 12 by omariqy 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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