Marka Ragnos Posted June 29, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, MrBlack said: For needing to ask the question... maybe I think you got the answer though . Fair enough, and yes, I got my answer lol. It's interesting to me, the horror at even asking. The allegations and behaviors are horrific. I fully get that. No question there, absolutely not. But he still seems like a young man who got himself into grave trouble, and yet, he's not Harvey Weinstein. He's not even been sued, as far as I know. (I've known my share of people who were remanded, including a couple of convicted murderers, so maybe my perspective is a little different.) I don't see him as irredeemable, I just don't, but that's for another thread, obviously. And even if he's not irredeemable, it sure as anything doesn't mean he's right for Villa. My sense of "reading the room" is that, well, NOPE!!!!!!!! Edited June 29, 2023 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Marka Ragnos said: Bit of weird one ... but should we look into Mason Greenwood on loan? Is that just too much baggage? I know, I know. But ... The idea that clear domestic abuse (at best) is "baggage" has blown my mind. We all LISTENED to him rape her. No. Way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 48 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: think the allegations are awful, but he's a fairly young man, too. Young rapist's are still rapist's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 If you heard the audio then you would be nowhere near suggesting him. Not a nice man at all. If Manure think he can ever play in this country again then they have a screw loose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 I'll get back to work and come back in hour. Hopefully the Greenwood posts will be done with 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbauer24 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 33 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: No one suggested. A question was asked. And roundly answered! I think that comparing people's natural revulsion to the allegations in the case of Greenwood with distaste and concern about a gambling sponsor is fallacious and nonsensical. Except you did suggest/ask whether we should look at him...but actually my point was that if fans suggest that the club should morally decline offers from betting companies however much they improve our bank balance, then it's reasonable to say fans should morally decline opportunities to sign questionable characters, however much they (may) improve our team. The link is not between the 'crimes' but as to whether football should try to be moral or sell its soul. But anyway... back to random conjecture... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: Fair enough, and yes, I got my answer lol. It's interesting to me, the horror at even asking. The allegations and behaviors are horrific. I fully get that. No question there, absolutely not. But he still seems like a young man who got himself into grave trouble, and yet, he's not Harvey Weinstein. He's not even been sued, as far as I know. I don't see him as irredeemable, I just don't, but that's for another thread, obviously. Yeah there's degrees of bad... but he's bad. He's also old enough to know what he's doing when he's forcibly having sex with a girl that doesn't want it. The law let him get away with it, he wasn't found innocent though. The fact he hasn't owned up to it either tells me he is irredeemable. Agree to disagree on that though, and yes, for another thread. Thankfully, I don't think Emery would go anywhere near him. We got a good core of players all seemingly good characters. I am sure the next few signings we make will keep that vibe going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wezbid Posted June 29, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2023 Greenwood should never grace a professional football pitch again. Any club that touches him are scum. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 29, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: The idea that clear domestic abuse (at best) is "baggage" has blown my mind. We all LISTENED to him rape her. No. Way. I didn't listen to that, personally. To suggest that anyone is minimising rape is nonsense. It's a horrible crime, obviously. But the law is the law, and he wasn't convicted. He will be legally allowed to play. 3 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: Young rapist's are still rapist's. Yes. No one is suggesting otherwise, are they? But there is a difference between someone with a history of criminal sexual assault convictions and a younger adult with a charge thrown out. But the fact is, as far as the law sees it, he is not a rapist. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted June 29, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: with a charge thrown out It wasn't "thrown out" though. The star witness, the complainant, dropped the charges. Indeed, they're back together. Sadly this is a fairly common occurrence in cases of domestic abuse and/or coercive control. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeypuzzle Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Stop digging! Please, someone take that shovel off him! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 8 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: I'll get back to work and come back in hour. Hopefully the Greenwood posts will be done with Probably give it a couple of hours as we’ve still not talked about the possibility of bringing in Adam Johnson yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: I didn't listen to that, personally. To suggest that anyone is minimising rape is nonsense. It's a horrible crime, obviously. But the law is the law, and he wasn't convicted. He will be legally allowed to play. Yes. No one is suggesting otherwise, are they? But there is a difference between someone with a history of criminal sexual assault convictions and a younger adult with a charge thrown out. But the fact is, as far as the law sees it, he is not a rapist. The charge wasn't thrown out, the victim got paid off, no doubt a million or so quid and then withdrew her complaint and without the victims complaint the cps wouldn't run it as a victimless prosecution. I recall people not wanting bissouma who was being investigated because his mate felt a girls arse in a night club, so I would imagine the percentage of fans in the uk wanting greenwood to play for them is less than 1%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: I didn't listen to that, personally. To suggest that anyone is minimising rape is nonsense. It's a horrible crime, obviously. But the law is the law, and he wasn't convicted. He will be legally allowed to play. Yes. No one is suggesting otherwise, are they? But there is a difference between someone with a history of criminal sexual assault convictions and a younger adult with a charge thrown out. But the fact is, as far as the law sees it, he is not a rapist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Can you lot stop jumping on him like a bunch of idiots. It is clear what he thinks and what he means. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Marka Ragnos said: Bit of weird one ... but should we look into Mason Greenwood on loan? Is that just too much baggage? I know, I know. But ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 30 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: I didn't listen to that, personally. To suggest that anyone is minimising rape is nonsense. It's a horrible crime, obviously. But the law is the law, and he wasn't convicted. He will be legally allowed to play. Yes. No one is suggesting otherwise, are they? But there is a difference between someone with a history of criminal sexual assault convictions and a younger adult with a charge thrown out. But the fact is, as far as the law sees it, he is not a rapist. Bingo. Go listen, then suggest he transfers to literally any club anywhere ever. The guy is a **** scumbag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david-avfc Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Gylfi Sigurdsson is available 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Just now, david-avfc said: Gylfi Sigurdsson is available and no where near good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Ruined what was a great day with the Torres signing. Let’s move on quickly please. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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