Wes Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 "People Use Statistics as a Drunk Uses a Lamppost — For Support Rather Than Illumination" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted May 30, 2023 Author Share Posted May 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: Lads got some moves… He wears black boots. Sign him up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 hours ago, one_ian_taylor said: Did Idrissa Gueye get relegated? Must have somehow managed to erase that completely from my memory. Was he in a really bad team? Yh. Villa 2015-2016. I think we all erased that from our memory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 2 hours ago, thunderball said: This is the perfect example of a highlights reel. This is literally every highlight. Ever. Give me Albert Adoma any day Just to be clear, I didn’t post that as some kind of support to say he’s good - he’s not. That was just as video evidence that he did, in fact, play more that just 8 minutes of first team football for Barcelona. Give me El Ghazi and trez any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 (edited) Asencio done ✍is what Im seeing well this is the signing which will have every team and their fans sit up and know we are not playing second fiddle, id prefer we got williams in that position and ferran on the left side but its okay definitely not turning up my nose.. he is a quality player no doubts, my only concern was lack of pace Edited May 30, 2023 by RicRic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Just now, RicRic said: Asencio done ✍is what Im seeing well this is the signing which will have every team and their fans sit up and know we are not playing second fiddle, id prefer we got williams in that position and ferran on the left side but its okay definitely not turning up my nose I don't think this precludes signing Nico Williams at all. Williams could play in that second striker/right sided striker or winger role. I don't think Asensio is as plausible an option on the wing as he's not so good 1v1 and I have questions about his defensive contribution which that wide midfield role is required to put in. You could line up like this quite easily: -------------------- Watkins ----------- Asensio -------------------- Ramsey ------- D. Luiz ----------- Kamara ------- Williams NOTE: This is just an example, I'm not saying this should be our starting XI, or our best XI, or anything like that - it's just an example! Whether we have the budget and so forth to achieve all that is another matter. They may have other targets in mind, such as a Luiz Henrique. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, RicRic said: Asencio done ✍is what Im seeing What you see and what we get could be two drastically different things my man. PS: Ascensio is on a different planet to Ferran Torres or Williams (albeit Williams is super young and could reach his level) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Barnes has better defensive numbers on FBREF than Asensio, I know who I'd rather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 I don’t even like Niko Williams that much. bring on the hate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Teale's 'tache Posted May 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2023 I would hope we are looking in all markets, it wouldn't make any sense to restrict yourself by saying, nobody in this particular league, nobody who's been relegated, etc. As an example, if you go back in time a bit, to when Klopp took over at Liverpool, they were in a similar position in the table to the one we find ourselves in now. Klopp then used multiple markets to create a solid base and then added real quality once they'd returned to the top 4 and could offer Champions League football. He's bought from relegated teams (Robertson, Wijnaldum, Shaqiri) He's bought from other Premier League teams (Mane, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Van Dijk, Jota) He's used the European market (Alisson, Matip, Keita, Thiago, Konate) He even brought in a player previously deemed not good enough for the Premier League in Mo Salah, which worked out pretty well. Now, I'm not saying he's been perfect, there's been plenty of poor signings as well, just using him as an example that there's value and quality to be found in all markets. There's no point in having a scouting system if you are not going to use it, but also that scouting system should absolutely cover players in this country as well as those abroad. I think there are plenty of players that have been relegated this season that I would back Emery to improve and that could add to our squad depth. I would also add that the first player we sign doesn't dictate what our whole strategy is, just because we are linked with Barnes doesn't mean we are solely looking in that market, or that we lack ambition. The time to review a transfer window is really quite a long time after it has closed and you then begin to get a picture of the work that's been done. I think we need to understand that Emery will look and see potential in players that we aren't convinced by, he'll see attributes he can use and fit into his system, attributes that are maybe being wasted in somebody else's system. With Barnes, I think it's pace, I think at Liverpool away recently he'd of loved to of had some real pace on the bench to give Liverpool something to think about when they were pushing forward, an out ball over the top to push them back. Also in both games against Leicester this season Emery will of seen firsthand how dangerous it can be to play a high line against him. Throw in that he counts as homegrown and scores goals and I can see how if the price is right he could add attributes to our squad that we are missing. I'm not saying he'd come in and be first choice, or that he'd be our main signing of the window, just that I can see value there if the price is right. Maybe there's a relegation release fee in his contract, we just don't know at this stage, I'm just saying I can see why he might be on our list. I think we are looking at many markets, as we should be, and I believe we're in for a very interesting summer. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Indigo said: Barnes has better defensive numbers on FBREF than Asensio, I know who I'd rather. Asensio is the bottom one. And you'd be forgiven if you didn't realise given that he averages more tackles and interceptions per 90 despite his team having the ball about 50% more than Barnes'. The only think Barnes is really better at is aerial duels. Hard to rack up lots of blocks when your team barely defends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 17 minutes ago, Wes said: I don't think this precludes signing Nico Williams at all. Williams could play in that second striker/right sided striker or winger role. I don't think Asensio is as plausible an option on the wing as he's not so good 1v1 and I have questions about his defensive contribution which that wide midfield role is required to put in. You could line up like this quite easily: -------------------- Watkins ----------- Asensio -------------------- Ramsey ------- D. Luiz ----------- Kamara ------- Williams NOTE: This is just an example, I'm not saying this should be our starting XI, or our best XI, or anything like that - it's just an example! Whether we have the budget and so forth to achieve all that is another matter. They may have other targets in mind, such as a Luiz Henrique. I agree and If we get the right players, they’ll be plenty of times where Unai will step away from 4-4-2. He’s used 4-4-2 this season because it was the best fit for our current squad. I expect much more flexibility in formation next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: Asensio is the bottom one. And you'd be forgiven if you didn't realise given that he averages more tackles and interceptions per 90 despite his team having the ball about 50% more than Barnes'. The only think Barnes is really better at is aerial duels. Hard to rack up lots of blocks when your team barely defends. I was only having a laugh man. If Asensio signs I'm having a summer of watching highlight videos and dreaming of him belting in 25-yarders, not quivering at the idea of him not putting up enough middle third pressures per 90. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 22 minutes ago, Steero113 said: What you see and what we get could be two drastically different things my man. PS: Ascensio is on a different planet to Ferran Torres or Williams (albeit Williams is super young and could reach his level) Is he ? And yeah things can change very quickly i could be wrong which i don't mind being Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, paul514 said: I don’t even like Niko Williams that much. bring on the hate Actually he's named Nico not Niko Insert Hermione gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Let's make it happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, Teale's 'tache said: I would also add that the first player we sign doesn't dictate what our whole strategy is, just because we are linked with Barnes doesn't mean we are solely looking in that market, or that we lack ambition. The time to review a transfer window is really quite a long time after it has closed and you then begin to get a picture of the work that's been done. I think we need to understand that Emery will look and see potential in players that we aren't convinced by, he'll see attributes he can use and fit into his system, attributes that are maybe being wasted in somebody else's system. 100%. I would add that I expect an evolution of the current system we've used since Emery came in to offer more flexibility to counter different opposition, so players coming in may not obviously fit what we have seen so far. Teams will treat us differently next season and we need ways to break down packed defences that won't be drawn onto us. I'm sure the incoming players will give Unai many more options to change things up and we'll see more horses-for-courses rotation next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, Wezbid said: Let's make it happen. Why downgrade from ramsey and Watkins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 4 hours ago, thabucks said: I love the opinions stated as fact and the FBREF are the messiahs of all football stats. Some of y’all are in the wrong professions as you should be in football as scouts lol. The club have a whole data analytics department and will use deeper and a ton more data points in judging a player but yeah let’s write someone off based on FBREF or some form of superiority complex. Trust the process I can guarantee current management examine Fbref or something similar than average punter eye test and xG is bollocks crowd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: Why downgrade from ramsey and Watkins? All about the squad game now (I do love Ollie and especially JJ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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