DeadlyDirk Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 32 minutes ago, macandally said: To stop it being an auction on wages? If he is on a free, he will go to the highest bidder No the fake tw@tter account saying loan until the end of the season followed by 8 million transfer.... For a player who'll be out of contract. The player holds the cards here not the clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It's almost as if we should have sorted all this before selling Ings. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 i suspect this will happen, no real rush though, weve got a week or so to get it done, all about quibbling over a little bit of money now. Rather drive it until the last day of the window for the lowest possible price, hes not coming in as a starter and were in a very safe position so no need to rush. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 23, 2023 33 minutes ago, est1874 said: It's almost as if we should have sorted all this before selling Ings. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lexicon Posted January 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2023 42 minutes ago, est1874 said: It's almost as if we should have sorted all this before selling Ings. Why? We had one game to get through without him being on the bench (which we won) and now we've got plenty of time to secure a signing before the window closes 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 43 minutes ago, est1874 said: It's almost as if we should have sorted all this before selling Ings. Why's that? How has it negatively impacted us so far? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, lexicon said: Why? We had one game to get through without him being on the bench (which we won) and now we've got plenty of time to secure a signing before the window closes Also, it's not like the team is thinking "ok, we sold Ings, what do we do now?" We have been searching for a long time, it's a case of getting the right person in. The foundation work was done over the last few weeks, maybe since Emery came in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I’ve seen this club make some strange decisions over the years. (The CB issue under Bruce for example, Jedinak at CB anyone?) I’d like to think we are more prepared these days so I trust the club have a plan.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) The short-termers are out in force I see, all thanks to a narrow 1-0 win against relegation hopefuls Southampton. Ollie Watkins is still registering a 1 in 5 ratio, and we have less than 8 days left to sign a second striker. Next time we lose without scoring and Ings fires one home for West Ham, you'll all be singing a different song. Edited January 23, 2023 by est1874 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, est1874 said: The short-termers are out in force I see. Next time we lose without scoring and Ings fires one home for West Ham, you'll all be singing a different song. Try not to hope too much that things go badly for us just so you can be right. It's not a good luck there, sport. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, lexicon said: Try not to hope too much that things go badly for us just so you can be right. It's not a good luck there, sport. I'm not hoping things go badly. I just can't for the life of me understand the short term mentality on here, it's every **** week. If we lose, people are crying, screaming, kicking toys out of the pram, nothing's changed since Gerrard blah blah blah. If we win, Unai is a genius, everything is rosy and it doesn't matter what moves we make in the window, nothing could possibly go wrong and club decisions cannot and should not be questioned. It's absurd how little perspective or balance there is, and tbh as much as I love the club, I can't stand half of our supporters. Change like the **** weather. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolteExile Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) I like Ings. But £120k a week for an occasional starter and an option from the bench is hard to justify as a reasonable use of resources for us. At Yanited or whoever it might be different. Your top wages should go to your best players and Ings was never really that for us. Wish him well and move on. Edited January 23, 2023 by HolteExile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, est1874 said: I'm not hoping things go badly. I just can't for the life of me understand the short term mentality on here, it's every **** week. If we lose, people are crying, screaming, kicking toys out of the pram, nothing's changed since Gerrard blah blah blah. If we win, Unai is a genius, everything is rosy and it doesn't matter what moves we make in the window, nothing could possibly go wrong and club decisions cannot and should not be questioned. It's absurd how little perspective or balance there is, and tbh as much as I love the club, I can't stand half of our supporters. Change like the **** weather. You sound really silly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, est1874 said: I'm not hoping things go badly. I just can't for the life of me understand the short term mentality on here, it's every **** week. If we lose, people are crying, screaming, kicking toys out of the pram, nothing's changed since Gerrard blah blah blah. If we win, Unai is a genius, everything is rosy and it doesn't matter what moves we make in the window, nothing could possibly go wrong and club decisions cannot and should not be questioned. It's absurd how little perspective or balance there is, and tbh as much as I love the club, I can't stand half of our supporters. Change like the **** weather. Agreed with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: You sound really silly. Go on, invalidate what I'm saying without engaging with it at all, standard on here. I don't care how you think I sound tbh, I've shared my honest thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, est1874 said: The short-termers are out in force I see, all thanks to a narrow 1-0 win against relegation hopefuls Southampton. Ollie Watkins is still registering a 1 in 5 ratio, and we have less than 8 days left to sign a second striker. Next time we lose without scoring and Ings fires one home for West Ham, you'll all be singing a different song. Not sure if this is serious or a joke. On the face of it, selling our top scorer, and not having already bought a replacement does raise some concerns. But when you scratch below the surface, you realise he wasn't first choice anyway, and we'd been operating quite well with him only being a bit part player under Emery already. Yes, he was great against Brighton, but it's only really the wolves game where we needed him to turn a game around. 2/7 games he's been a deciding factor. And we scored 8 goals in the other 5 games anyway, largely without him. We needed him during Gerrards moments of magic football. But he doesn't suit the way we play now, and his appearances would be getting fewer and fewer between now and the end of the season. He was on a huge salary, and by selling him in January we get a bonus over what we'd receive for him in the summer. Arguably, a significant boost given his remaining length of contract and the fact he wouldn't be playing much for us between now and then. It was a no brainer to sell when we did for what we did. The replacement when they land will be well planned and a better fit. Yes, if that doesn't happen before the end of January it will be a concern, but we don't have a game before then and won the only game we had without him anyway, without needing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, est1874 said: Go on, invalidate what I'm saying without engaging with it at all, standard on here. I don't care how you think I sound tbh, I've shared my honest thoughts. I don't care that you don't care, don't care. To confirm--it's you that thinks people are "crying, screaming, kicking toys out of the pram"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, est1874 said: If we lose, people are crying, screaming, kicking toys out of the pram, nothing's changed since Gerrard blah blah blah. If we win, Unai is a genius. This means VT think Emery is a genius 71% of the time, and for only 14% of the time do the toys get thrown out of the pram. That's not so bad really. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jareth said: This means VT think Emery is a genius 71% of the time, and for only 14% of the time do the toys get thrown out of the pram. That's not so bad really. You know what… go on have one too: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: I don't care that you don't care, don't care. To confirm--it's you that thinks people are "crying, screaming, kicking toys out of the pram"? Am frustrated with the general oscillation of opinion that happens on here, spinning like a weather vane depending on whatever way the wind is blowing, people defending the Ings transfer out of a love for Unai and happiness over our current run of form as if those things are all related/inextricably bound. As for Ings, I've never said we should hold on to him or that it wasn't right to sell him, it's the business logic of doing it in a hurry without appropriate mitigation that represents a complete fail IMO. I don't buy that West Ham pushed for it ASAP, they ended up giving him 18 mins of football at the weekend and have 3 other strikers who can play first team - we have 1. I've said my piece, we'll see how it all plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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