duke313 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, abdulaziz1 said: Yes, if we wait until summer then it’s better to look elsewhere anyway. Totally. He'll fill the gap for now. Which means we can take the pressure off Duran and give him more time to develop/adapt to the league, with him eventually replacing Dembele or Watkins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: His last season at Arsenal had 11 goal contributions, 4 of which were goals, in 30 games. In terms of minutes apparently it was circa 1800, so an average of 60 mins per game, or the equivalent of 20 full games. I'd certainly take that over relying on Watkins, Duran and and Bailey for the rest of the season. Still quite poor? 4 goals in 1800 minutes is equal to Watkins 3 goals in 1450 minutes (this season). But Lacazette also took penalties and only scored 2 non-penalty goals in those 1800 minutes. My point wasn't that Lacazette is crap, but Ligue 1 seems easy. Watkins could probably get good numbers there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 34 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: That's also a reminder about the difference between leagues. At Lyon, Lacazette has 15 goal contributions in 19 games this season (11 goals). Last season Arsenal got rid of him because his numbers were awful (4 goals in 30 games). Yes but that could simply be due to a number of things. Arsenal not playing to his style. Going from playing with aubamayeng to 19 year olds he doesn't have chemistry with etc. Just a particularly poor patch of finishing. He's been an around average finisher most of his career but that last season of arsenal he was down right atrocious. Fitness issues as well, I think he was dealing with some hamstring issues his last few seasons at the Emirates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: Still quite poor? 4 goals in 1800 minutes is equal to Watkins 3 goals in 1450 minutes (this season). But Lacazette also took penalties and only scored 2 non-penalty goals in those 1800 minutes. My point wasn't that Lacazette is crap, but Ligue 1 seems easy. Watkins could probably get good numbers there. Again that's a deceiving thing. Lacazette simply just massively under performed his xG that season. When every other season except this one he outperformed or equalled his xG. He just couldn't hit a barn door that season that doesn't mean that because he's playing well for a team that obviously suits him and is in his home country that Ligue 1 is that much worse (it is worse but xG between leagues is basically the same in terms of finishing if we create the same chances for moussa he gets at Lyon he would perform similarly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withes_shin Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 So if West Ham avoid relegation Villa get an additional £3m from the Danny Ings sale. Dembele is available for £3m. Could turn out to be a free transfer! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) I can see this happening quite quickly now that Ings has officially gone, if the player is interested that is. Which I can't imagine he wouldn't be, even if he has other PL offers, we are still the best option. Edited January 20, 2023 by duke313 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 minute ago, duke313 said: I can see this happening quite quickly now that Ings has officially gone, if the player is interested that is. Which I can't imagine he wouldn't be, even if he has other PL offers, we are still the best option. Unless Chelsea….. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, withes_shin said: So if West Ham avoid relegation Villa get an additional £3m from the Danny Ings sale. Dembele is available for £3m. Could turn out to be a free transfer! Yes. If you ignore the 30 million we paid for Ings. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Sulberto21 said: Unless Chelsea….. Chelsea, the team that would eat your last Rolo, steal the jam out of your doughnut and nick your last fiver. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Tremendously unexcited by this, but in Emery we trust. Just hope it’s low wages and a short contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 I'd say this is our Bayern Choupo Moting signing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted January 20, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2023 2 hours ago, PieFacE said: On the assumption we do sign him. Does he replace Watkins or Bailey? None....its a squad. We need a quality squad.....the days of just a first 11 are behind us. He will come in and have to fight for his place, like the rest. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted January 20, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, nick76 said: Ings > Ollie, by a mile based on that…. Tbf I'm better than ollie based on that! Wheres the 'run around a lot' metric? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, Nigel said: Tbf I'm better than ollie based on that! Wheres the 'run around a lot' metric? No longer on the Fbref website. They used to have pressing stats but don't have it anymore sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, Nigel said: Tbf I'm better than ollie based on that! Wheres the 'run around a lot' metric? Closest would be pressing stats but fbref removed that a few months ago. I remember his pressing stats being good, but not as good as you'd think based on how people describe him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 44 minutes ago, GlobalVillan said: Yes. If you ignore the 30 million we paid for Ings. We could’ve kept him and failed to sell him next summer. Atleast we got back what we could. I liked him but he isn’t starting. His wages compared to Dembele is also on the side of reducing losses. We can’t afford to do such a signing. We’re stuck with Coutinho right now and it’s not easy to sell Dinge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 Dembele was a bit of a lazy sh1t at Celtic. But when it came to the big games he always shone. Not sure he would get away with picking his games in premiership 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, abdulaziz1 said: We could’ve kept him and failed to sell him next summer. Atleast we got back what we could. I liked him but he isn’t starting. His wages compared to Dembele is also on the side of reducing losses. We can’t afford to do such a signing. We’re stuck with Coutinho right now and it’s not easy to sell Dinge. Dembele’s salary if he comes will be on par, if not more than Ings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustibrooks Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 34 minutes ago, TRO said: None....its a squad. We need a quality squad.....the days of just a first 11 are behind us. He will come in and have to fight for his place, like the rest. Agreed as we improve our league positions over the next few seasons (hopefully) we’ll be buying players not necessarily to replace them, but to give us quality depth. Having Dembele/Watkins/Bailey/Duran/Possiblyanother striker in the summer are not bad options to have. A good mix between pace, strength and technique. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 26 minutes ago, abdulaziz1 said: We could’ve kept him and failed to sell him next summer. Atleast we got back what we could. I liked him but he isn’t starting. His wages compared to Dembele is also on the side of reducing losses. We can’t afford to do such a signing. We’re stuck with Coutinho right now and it’s not easy to sell Dinge. I just wish we had signed a solid replacement first. He scored goals. He scores goals everywhere he has been and he will no doubt score goals at West Ham. Hopefully we will strengthen in the summer and can score enough goals to finish 10th this season. Doubtful but not impossible, especially if we start to defend better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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