MakemineVanilla Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 When people complained about the curation on Twitter, they were always told that, as a private company it can do as it likes. Presumably the same right should be extended to Musk. "Curation" always sounded like a euphemism to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MessiWillSignForVilla Posted November 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2022 I think one of my favourite things about twitter at the minute is the amount of blue checks sacrificing their accounts to hammer home the point to Musk that the verification process is there for Twitter's benefit, not the user's. I also saw a fairly serious thread about it from an actor whose name I can't remember now (Robert something, he's got a Jewish/Eastern European sounding last name and was in Eastenders and the Warcraft movie), talking about how before he used social media he got contacted by parents whose 11-15 year old kids had been talking to "him" online and that one of them even went missing, so he signed up to every platform he could to make an official account he could control and point to as the real him, preventing people using his name as a way to groom kids. The "value" of the blue check is simply to prove someone is who they say they are, so Twitter can both claim to have the real X on their site whilst also defending themselves from potential legal action that they are allowing people to defame X by posing as them on Twitter. Why would someone pay for the privilege of helping Twitter? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 minute ago, MakemineVanilla said: When people complained about the curation on Twitter, they were always told that, as a private company it can do as it likes. Presumably the same right should be extended to Musk. "Curation" always sounded like a euphemism to me. I'm not sure anyone has said otherwise Twitter and Musk can do as it likes within the law Most of us will just laugh when it goes under because all the advertisers, as private companies can do what they want to as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, MessiWillSignForVilla said: I think one of my favourite things about twitter at the minute is the amount of blue checks sacrificing their accounts to hammer home the point to Musk that the verification process is there for Twitter's benefit, not the user's. I also saw a fairly serious thread about it from an actor whose name I can't remember now (Robert something, he's got a Jewish/Eastern European sounding last name and was in Eastenders and the Warcraft movie), talking about how before he used social media he got contacted by parents whose 11-15 year old kids had been talking to "him" online and that one of them even went missing, so he signed up to every platform he could to make an official account he could control and point to as the real him, preventing people using his name as a way to groom kids. The "value" of the blue check is simply to prove someone is who they say they are, so Twitter can both claim to have the real X on their site whilst also defending themselves from potential legal action that they are allowing people to defame X by posing as them on Twitter. Why would someone pay for the privilege of helping Twitter? There's another argument that runs parallel to this Twitter is a platform that earns money from advertisers. It's content is provided by users, now it wants to charge the content creators Compare that with say YouTube, which is a different platform that earns money from advertisers. It's content too is provided by users. It pays the content creators Musk keeps replying to people $8 and is completely missing the point. Absolutely most of them can afford $8, that doesn't mean they'll pay it to create content for him 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, LondonLax said: It wasn’t losing a billion a year when he bought it, it’s losing a billion a year because he bought it. The billion a year figure is just the interest payments owed each year on the loans he took out It wasn’t profitable before but it wasn’t costing this much. And that’s before the advertisers got spooked and fled. A lot of the debt is secured against his Tesla stock. Have a look at what has happened to the Tesla stock price since the Twitter sale went through Oh I know, but that's the elephant in the room with Musk justification for sacking so much staff, that's why I was laughing at it. He'd rather people believe he sunk $44bn into a company that was losing $1.2bn per year instead of realising that his purchase increased Twitter's losses by $1bn per year. Either way, it doesn't make him look like a great businessman! There is an argument that Twitter was just about to reach profitability before the pandemic as it had two profit making years in a row, the only ones in their history, but it's hard to say how much the pandemic truly effected them and whether they would bounce back from it, but as with all tech companies, it was massively overinflated in price when Musk made the offer to buy it, so even then it wasn't really worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, bickster said: I'm not sure anyone has said otherwise Twitter and Musk can do as it likes within the law Most of us will just laugh when it goes under because all the advertisers, as private companies can do what they want to as well If it goes under there will be a lot people who will think good riddance. There will also be very many content-creators on other platforms, who earn a living from mainly monetising Twitter comments, so Twitter's ostensible enemies will miss it the most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Deleting my account will actually improve my life if I'm being honest. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 minute ago, maqroll said: Deleting my account will actually improve my life if I'm being honest. A lot of people seem to report that that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 5, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: There will also be very many content-creators on other platforms, who earn a living from mainly monetising Twitter comments, so Twitter's ostensible enemies will miss it the most. Can you point me in the direction of these content-creators on other platforms who are currently criticising Musk's Twitter buyout and subsequent strategy? I've genuinely seen none of them doing this and if they are, I'd imagine it's because they don't want Twitter to disappear because they realise it will affect them personally and they can see the platform will be the worse for it, especially if it goes down. They wouldn't be Twitter's enemies, they'd be concerned users and advocates of the platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bickster said: Can you point me in the direction of these content-creators on other platforms who are currently criticising Musk's Twitter buyout and subsequent strategy? I've genuinely seen none of them doing this and if they are, I'd imagine it's because they don't want Twitter to disappear because they realise it will affect them personally and they can see the platform will be the worse for it, especially if it goes down. They wouldn't be Twitter's enemies, they'd be concerned users and advocates of the platform. I haven't seen any at all. Edit: I did take a look at Thunderf00t's channel and he has several new videos slagging off Musk. Edited November 5, 2022 by MakemineVanilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2022 If Musk carries on like this I'm going to take all my bots off there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, maqroll said: Deleting my account will actually improve my life if I'm being honest. When I first joined Twitter I followed a lot of comedians (Rob Delaney made his name there) and it was genuinely fun. Then when we went down the wrong timeline in about 2015 and everything became about politics Twitter turned into a complete cesspool. So I created a new account for just Villa posters and Villa info. It’s so much healthier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, sidcow said: If Musk carries on like this I'm going to take all my bots off there. If he was to reveal that there were a high proportion of bots, therefore fewer actual people, he would possibly open the door for advertisers to sue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 I thought this thread title said "Musk's Twitter Paradise" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 hour ago, sidcow said: If Musk carries on like this I'm going to take all my bots off there. Same. I might be forced to stop trolling celebrities on there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 2 hours ago, TheAuthority said: When I first joined Twitter I followed a lot of comedians (Rob Delaney made his name there) and it was genuinely fun. Then when we went down the wrong timeline in about 2015 and everything became about politics Twitter turned into a complete cesspool. So I created a new account for just Villa posters and Villa info. It’s so much healthier. Villa social media is far from healthy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 5, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: Villa social media is far from healthy! I get rid of anyone who isn't reasonable. It's really just to follow news and updates. VT used to be the first for Villa news but Twitter is faster now. Once I eventually found Off Topic on VT thats where I spend 90% of my time. Don't really venture into on topic much. (Although I loved a good rant in the match thread when Gerrard was managing us.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 5 hours ago, MessiWillSignForVilla said: I think one of my favourite things about twitter at the minute is the amount of blue checks sacrificing their accounts to hammer home the point to Musk that the verification process is there for Twitter's benefit, not the user's. I also saw a fairly serious thread about it from an actor whose name I can't remember now (Robert something, he's got a Jewish/Eastern European sounding last name and was in Eastenders and the Warcraft movie), talking about how before he used social media he got contacted by parents whose 11-15 year old kids had been talking to "him" online and that one of them even went missing, so he signed up to every platform he could to make an official account he could control and point to as the real him, preventing people using his name as a way to groom kids. The "value" of the blue check is simply to prove someone is who they say they are, so Twitter can both claim to have the real X on their site whilst also defending themselves from potential legal action that they are allowing people to defame X by posing as them on Twitter. Why would someone pay for the privilege of helping Twitter? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2022 Apparently Musk is banning all parody accounts from Twitter. Yes he's still there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 7, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Apparently Musk is banning all parody accounts from Twitter. Yes he's still there No he isn’t, he’s banning accounts that don’t state they are a parody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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