fightoffyour Posted April 6, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 6, 2023 2 hours ago, ender4 said: True, but Liverpool are 1 point behind with 1 game in hand. Even if we match their results, they only need a draw from their extra game to be finish above us. It would all depend on the result at Anfield. Nope we play Liverpool so it’s in our hands, same with Brentford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viivvaa66 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 8 hours ago, MaVilla said: West Ham will be interesting, looking at the quarters in the Conference league, the only team on paper that looks a problem for them is Fiorentina? Will be interesting if they can win it, and top 8 opens up for European places. If West Ham wins the Conference League there will be 8 English clubs in Europe, top 7 + West Ham. Not top 8. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNVillan Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, viivvaa66 said: If West Ham wins the Conference League there will be 8 English clubs in Europe, top 7 + West Ham. Not top 8. Slightly off topic, but has any Club ever been in their second domestic division and simultaneously in Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted April 7, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, MNVillan said: Slightly off topic, but has any Club ever been in their second domestic division and simultaneously in Europe? Wigan won the FA Cup a few years ago and got relegated. So they played in the (then called) UEFA cup and were in the 2nd tier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich192 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 hours ago, MNVillan said: Slightly off topic, but has any Club ever been in their second domestic division and simultaneously in Europe? Birmingham City won the League Cup and got relegated in 2011, so they did. Wigan won the FA Cup in 2013 and got relegated. Millwall were runners up in the FA Cup in 2004 whilst being in the second tier, and not getting promoted (Stefan Moore was on loan to them in their European campaign, although they got knocked out by Ferencvaros in the first round). Middlesbrough got beaten in both cup finals in 1997, and got relegated. Ipswich qualified for Europe in 2001/02 through fair play, despite being relegated. Crystal Palace went in to the Intertoto Cup despite being relegated in 1998, as they were the only English team to apply for the competition. Portsmouth lost the 2010 FA Cup Final and got relegated the same year. They're all of the examples I can find, or remember. It should also be noted that they stopped allowing the runners up of the FA Cup to qualify for Europe in 2015. Any guesses who were runners up that season? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 46 minutes ago, Rich192 said: It should also be noted that they stopped allowing the runners up of the FA Cup to qualify for Europe in 2015. Any guesses who were runners up that season? Bet we were the last team to finish 6th and not qualify for Europe as well 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 8 hours ago, useless said: I think we're favorites to win every single remaining fixture except for Man Utd and Liverpool away games. We are currently not favourites against Newcastle in betting. I’m not sure we would be favourites against Spurs but that will depend on both teams over the next month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, picicata said: Bet we were the last team to finish 6th and not qualify for Europe as well That was a fickle season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LondonLax Posted April 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, picicata said: Bet we were the last team to finish 6th and not qualify for Europe as well It still doesn’t beat the time Spurs finished 4th for the first time and Chelsea took their spot 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted April 7, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: It still doesn’t beat the time Spurs finished 4th for the first time and Chelsea took their spot That is so Spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 As well as the top 7, if West win Europa Conference and Chelsea somehow manage to win the CL, there would be 9 teams in Europe next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, duke313 said: As well as the top 7, if West win Europa Conference and Chelsea somehow manage to win the CL, there would be 9 teams in Europe next season. Not true. It's nearly impossible for there to be 8 places awarded to the PL Edited April 7, 2023 by CVByrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Not true. It's nearly impossible for there to be 8 places awarded to the PL It is true. There could be up to 10 English teams in Europe. If English teams win the CL, EL and EC and don't finish in the top 7 they would qualify for Europe because the won those competitions. Chelsea and West Ham are not going to finish in top 7, if they won the CL and EC there would be 9 English teams in Europe next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Just now, duke313 said: It is true. There could be up to 10 English teams in Europe. If English teams win the CL, EL and EC and don't finish in the top 7 they would qualify for Europe because the won those competitions. Chelsea and West Ham are not going to finish in top 7, if they won the CL and EC there would be 9 English teams in Europe next season. Read the PL website. It will explain the situation that needs to occur for an extra place to be given. Needs EL and CL to be won by English clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Read the PL website. It will explain the situation that needs to occur for an extra place to be given. Needs EL and CL to be won by English clubs. Nothing on that site states there can't be a maximum of 10 teams in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, duke313 said: Nothing on that site states there can't be a maximum of 10 teams in Europe. https://www.premierleague.com/european-qualification-explained Quote A breakdown of how Premier League clubs can qualify for the UEFA Champions League, Europa League and Europa Conference League, along with the clubs appearing in each competition Below is a breakdown of how Premier League clubs can qualify to play in UEFA competitions, along with which tournament each qualified club will play in. Ordinarily, the maximum number of English teams in UEFA competitions is seven. (Please note UEFA reserves the right to change the conditions of the access list so these criteria can be subject to change.) UEFA Champions League (UCL) qualification In normal circumstances, four UCL places are given to English clubs who fulfil the following criteria: The top four teams in the Premier League qualify for the group stage proper. UEFA Europa League (UEL) qualification In normal circumstances, two UEL places are given to English clubs who fulfil the following criteria: The fifth-placed team in the Premier League qualify for the group stage proper. The winners of the FA Cup qualify for the group stage proper. UEFA Europa Conference League (UECL) qualification The EFL Cup winners qualify for the playoff stages. Top eight Pos Team Pl GD Pts 1 ARS 29 +43 72 2 MCI 28 +45 64 3 NEW 28 +26 53 4 MUN 28 +5 53 5 TOT 29 +12 50 6 BHA 27 +17 46 7 AVL 29 -1 44 8 LIV 28 +15 43 View More Where these qualifications changes a) If the FA Cup winners finish in the top five of the Premier League, their UEL group stage place will go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League. b) If the EFL Cup winners finish in the top five of the Premier League (or top six if (a) happens), their UECL playoff place will go to the next-highest ranked team not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League. How does winning UCL/UEL affect qualification? Should a Premier League club win the UEFA Champions League they will automatically qualify for the group stage of next season's competition regardless of their league finishing position. Should a Premier League club win the UEFA Europa League they will automatically qualify for the group stage of next season's UEFA Champions League regardless of their league finishing position. If a club win the UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League and finish in the top four, their qualification for the UCL through their league position is not transferred to another team. A maximum of five Premier League teams are eligible for UEFA Champions League qualification. In the event that a Premier League club win the UEFA Champions League and another win the UEFA Europa League and neither of these clubs finish in the top four of the Premier League, the club lying fourth in the table will drop into the UEFA Europa League group stage. If a Premier League club win the UEFA Champions League and another win the UEFA Europa League and neither have qualified for UEFA competitions through their league positions or by winning the FA Cup or EFL Cup, they will qualify for the UEFA Champions League and the club finishing fourth in the table will drop into the UEFA Europa League group stage. This UEFA Europa League group stage place will be in addition to the one for the club finishing fifth and to the places in the UEFA Europa League and UEFA Europa Conference League for the FA Cup and EFL Cup winners (or for the highest-ranked clubs not qualified for UEFA competitions in the Premier League if the FA Cup and EFL Cup winners have already qualified for UEFA competitions through their league position). The winner of UEFA Europa Conference League is guaranteed a place in UEFA Europa League group stages. If a Premier League club win the UEFA Europa Conference League and do not qualify for the UEFA Europa League via the Premier League or the FA Cup, then they enter the UEFA Europa League group stages as an additional club There is a very tiny way that an extra place ends up with the PL and 8th place qualify for Europe based on league finishing position. Edited April 7, 2023 by CVByrne 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, CVByrne said: https://www.premierleague.com/european-qualification-explained Thanks for posting the whole thing, but I've already read it. And again, it' doesn't state anywhere there that you can't have 10 English teams in Europe so not sure why you keep referring to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, duke313 said: Thanks for posting the whole thing, but I've already read it. And again, it' doesn't state anywhere there that you can't have 10 English teams in Europe so not sure why you keep referring to it? We aren't in Europe. We can only qualify for Europe via the League. So how European places are assigned to the League is the only thing that matters to Aston Villa. We need top 7. So all these permutations and nonsense you hear about. I think top 8 will get you Europe this year (Dan Bardell said this) is just incorrect and false hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, CVByrne said: We aren't in Europe. We can only qualify for Europe via the League. So how European places are assigned to the League is the only thing that matters to Aston Villa. We need top 7. So all these permutations and nonsense you hear about. I think top 8 will get you Europe this year (Dan Bardell said this) is just incorrect and false hope. I never said top 8 will get you Europe. I said Top 7 + Chelsea and West Ham if they win the CL and EC and finish outside top 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 5 hours ago, picicata said: Bet we were the last team to finish 6th and not qualify for Europe as well Happened twice in last 20 years! 6th in 03/04 and Millwall got in instead as FA cup runners up as said above and then in 07/08 we were 6th but had to do the Intertoto route as Cardiff-Portsmouth was the FA cup final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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