Diego Carlos

[est1874]

Just so we're clear, Carlos and Mings will absolutely be our starting CBs next season, unless Ty gets sold / replaced which I don't believe will happen.

Ezri will be #1 backup and Callum Chambers will be used as utility across CB / RB / CM, if/as needed.

[Keyblade]

Just now, est1874 said:

Just so we're clear, Carlos and Mings will absolutely be our starting CBs next season, unless Ty gets sold / replaced which I don't believe will happen.

Ezri will be #1 backup and Callum Chambers will be used as utility across CB / RB / CM, if/as needed.

Pretty damn good I'd say. We've come a long way since having a hobbled Chester as our only CB 3/4 years ago.

[sparrow1988]

5 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

Pretty damn good I'd say. We've come a long way since having a hobbled Chester as our only CB 3/4 years ago.

And more right backs than at an orgy organised by Gareth Southgate, don't forget

[macandally]

8 minutes ago, est1874 said:

Just so we're clear, Carlos and Mings will absolutely be our starting CBs next season, unless Ty gets sold / replaced which I don't believe will happen.

Ezri will be #1 backup and Callum Chambers will be used as utility across CB / RB / CM, if/as needed.

Thanks Stevie!

[est1874]

51 minutes ago, macandally said:

Thanks Stevie!

Nyyyyeahhhh, 'course

[KentVillan]

1 hour ago, est1874 said:

Just so we're clear, Carlos and Mings will absolutely be our starting CBs next season, unless Ty gets sold / replaced which I don't believe will happen.

Ezri will be #1 backup and Callum Chambers will be used as utility across CB / RB / CM, if/as needed.

I don't think any of them are nailed on. Will depend on performances. We now have 4 very good CBs, and it will be determined by form / injuries.

[Villa_Vids]

12 hours ago, Don_Simon said:

Okay, here we go...

On what planet is the CEO of Seville remotely bothered about Aston Villa? It's absurd. They consistently win European Competitions. We, I think, do not.

Further, "no Jose, you're about the dollar". The article you've read literally states they turned down selling Diego Carlos to Newcastle in January, (which I'm assuming would be for more than we paid due to the Saudi Tax), because they couldn't find a replacement. The polar opposite of "all about the money".

Seville are one of the best run clubs on the planet. The CEO has zero reason to "fear" his supporters. They either already have a replacement for Carlos, who they'll sell for X amount more than they paid for him in X amount of years, or they'll buy one this summer and do the same.

La Liga has a fairer distribution of money than the Premier League I believe. One of the reasons why Barca have struggled financially so much and Real / Barca pushed so vocally for the ESL.

Finally, "show some decorum and class". Like Villa fans do you mean when players leave? What were your thoughts on Purslow's post Jack leaving video? I loved it. Transparent communication as to why the transfer happened, is that really any different to what the Seville CEO has done? Our own fans acknowledge the only reason these players are joining Villa is for money and Gerrard. 

What sycophantic dribble!  How much is Jose paying you to post that? 

Firstly, I have never said he cared about Villa - he shows a clear lack of understanding of Aston Villa. It is very likely he has contempt for our club, let's be honest - contempt for little old Aston Villa (who finished 14th) signing one of his stars. I read and interpreted his interview in a way that was contemptful towards Carlos and Villa, rightly or wrongly. I respect people have different views, but I felt it wasn't needed by him and was in poor taste. 

Further to your points. There is speculation that Jose messed up a better financial deal for Sevilla in January by asking for more money (for DC) than originally agreed, apparently Newcastle walked away and told him to get lost. Could it be the case of being too greedy? That is just speculation of course, but that doesn't speak volumes of his business acumen tbh. If true, I am sure he regrets that. Certainly doesn't tally with your view of Sevilla.

However, I honestly do not care about Sevilla. If they have been successful on the pitch then fair play. We have just acquired a decent chunk of their recent success by signing Diego Carlos. Surely means we are going to improve? That is all I care about. Oh just remembered, we can't have aspirations - we finished 14th last season. Never mind. Close the club. 

I have already commented on the Purslow similarity. It is nonsense. Total nonsense. I think Purslow was classy and clear in his reaction to Grealish leaving, which was a far more emotional and complex situation than us signing Carlos from them. I really don't understand why you are comparing a club executive to supporters? That is strange. Comparing the views of one person to those of 63k (and more) is a grossly unfair generalisation . Besides a key club executive has a far greater responsibility than you or I, furthermore has far greater access to information than me or you. That is a very weird comparison, it seems a tad bitter imo.

[est1874]

22 minutes ago, KentVillan said:

I don't think any of them are nailed on. Will depend on performances. We now have 4 very good CBs, and it will be determined by form / injuries.

What about our current manager suggests that team selection will be determined by form, particularly at CB?

Callum Chambers IMO was our best centre-half when he played.

Elsewhere Buendia outplayed Coutinho in the latter part of the season.

McGinn frequently warranted dropping.

I don't see how you can honestly believe Gerrard doesn't have a set "First XI" in his head, because he definitely does.

[Don_Simon]

16 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said:

What sycophantic dribble!  How much is Jose paying you to post that? 

Firstly, I have never said he cared about Villa - he shows a clear lack of understanding of Aston Villa. It is very likely he has contempt for our club, let's be honest - contempt for little old Aston Villa (who finished 14th) signing one of his stars. I read and interpreted his interview in a way that was contemptful towards Carlos and Villa, rightly or wrongly. I respect people have different views, but I felt it wasn't needed by him and was in poor taste. 

Further to your points. There is speculation that Jose messed up a better financial deal for Sevilla in January by asking for more money (for DC) than originally agreed, apparently Newcastle walked away and told him to get lost. Could it be the case of being too greedy? That is just speculation of course, but that doesn't speak volumes of his business acumen tbh. If true, I am sure he regrets that. Certainly doesn't tally with your view of Sevilla.

However, I honestly do not care about Sevilla. If they have been successful on the pitch then fair play. We have just acquired a decent chunk of their recent success by signing Diego Carlos. Surely means we are going to improve? That is all I care about. Oh just remembered, we can't have aspirations - we finished 14th last season. Never mind. Close the club. 

I have already commented on the Purslow similarity. It is nonsense. Total nonsense. I think Purslow was classy and clear in his reaction to Grealish leaving, which was a far more emotional and complex situation than us signing Carlos from them. I really don't understand why you are comparing a club executive to supporters? That is strange. Comparing the views of one person to those of 63k (and more) is a grossly unfair generalisation . Besides a key club executive has a far greater responsibility than you or I, furthermore has far greater access to information than me or you. That is a very weird comparison, it seems a tad bitter imo.

You've doubled down. I respect that. Couldn't disagree with it more, as with many others, due to much of your opinions being complete waffle. However, you've gone for it and that's to be lauded. 

Let's leave it there.

UTV.

[KentVillan]

58 minutes ago, est1874 said:

What about our current manager suggests that team selection will be determined by form, particularly at CB?

Callum Chambers IMO was our best centre-half when he played.

Elsewhere Buendia outplayed Coutinho in the latter part of the season.

McGinn frequently warranted dropping.

I don't see how you can honestly believe Gerrard doesn't have a set "First XI" in his head, because he definitely does.

He has favourites obviously, but the team chopped and changed a fair bit last season. He’s not Martin O’Neill.

Anyway, pointless debate since neither of us know what Gerrard’s plans are. On ability, I’d be amazed if we didn’t see all 4 of our CBs starting games regularly next season (depending on Konsa’s injury recovery of course… and whatever else happens in the transfer market).

[Zatman]

12 hours ago, Villa_Vids said:

What sycophantic dribble!  How much is Jose paying you to post that? 

Firstly, I have never said he cared about Villa - he shows a clear lack of understanding of Aston Villa. It is very likely he has contempt for our club, let's be honest - contempt for little old Aston Villa (who finished 14th) signing one of his stars. I read and interpreted his interview in a way that was contemptful towards Carlos and Villa, rightly or wrongly. I respect people have different views, but I felt it wasn't needed by him and was in poor taste. 

Further to your points. There is speculation that Jose messed up a better financial deal for Sevilla in January by asking for more money (for DC) than originally agreed, apparently Newcastle walked away and told him to get lost. Could it be the case of being too greedy? That is just speculation of course, but that doesn't speak volumes of his business acumen tbh. If true, I am sure he regrets that. Certainly doesn't tally with your view of Sevilla.

However, I honestly do not care about Sevilla. If they have been successful on the pitch then fair play. We have just acquired a decent chunk of their recent success by signing Diego Carlos. Surely means we are going to improve? That is all I care about. Oh just remembered, we can't have aspirations - we finished 14th last season. Never mind. Close the club. 

I have already commented on the Purslow similarity. It is nonsense. Total nonsense. I think Purslow was classy and clear in his reaction to Grealish leaving, which was a far more emotional and complex situation than us signing Carlos from them. I really don't understand why you are comparing a club executive to supporters? That is strange. Comparing the views of one person to those of 63k (and more) is a grossly unfair generalisation . Besides a key club executive has a far greater responsibility than you or I, furthermore has far greater access to information than me or you. That is a very weird comparison, it seems a tad bitter imo.

You do know this club director has little say on the transfers at Sevilla, he is just a random director on the board 

Unless you speak Spanish and watched the interview how can you say he was not calm and clear like Purslow if you just read his quotes. Purslow quotes with little context sound similar 

[Villa_Vids]

8 hours ago, Zatman said:

You do know this club director has little say on the transfers at Sevilla, he is just a random director on the board 

Unless you speak Spanish and watched the interview how can you say he was not calm and clear like Purslow if you just read his quotes. Purslow quotes with little context sound similar 

It could be a poor translation, I accept that but I do not accept what was said on that version. Comparing the Grealish deal to the Carlos deal is foolish, it has no similarities. The Grealish deal was a mega deal, this is relatively low key and it is dripping with bitterness. The Grealish deal warranted an explanation.  What the Sevilla director said, in that translated interview, was poor imo. Smacks of a guy desperate for media attention, especially to justify himself to his own supporters after he botched the Newcastle deal in January. It reeks of PR defensive before other stars are sold imo.

Edited June 17, 2022 by Villa_Vids

[Danny_Villaman84]

On 16/06/2022 at 20:59, KentVillan said:

I don't think any of them are nailed on. Will depend on performances. We now have 4 very good CBs, and it will be determined by form / injuries.

4 Very good and 1 Good Centre half (Hause)

3 RF (1CH/1CH&RB/1CH/RB/DM). 2 LF CH&LB, we have very good balance and well stock, which good thing .. 

if Bassey come in so we will have 3 RF (1CH/1CH&RB/1CH/RB/DM). 3 LF CH&LB (6 total) (Likely sold Hause if Bassey come in or play Bassey as back up Dinge) prefect for put Bench with Chamber.

Look forward Carlos playing as i never see him player before and interest to see playing for 1-2 years before judge him. 

Carlos+Mings
Konsa+Hause/Chamber
Chamber Sub and come one if any injury or add defensive good move by club 

[SeanVilla]

I’d like to see him paired with Chambers. Looked so assured when he’s played. Massively underrated imo 

[MWARLEY2]

Worryingly Tim Vickery has likened him to Terry Butcher but in reverse . He will make big mistakes but also look brilliant at times. Safe to say he is not a big fan. That said he has never been a player in South America and thats what Vickery specialises in . 

[villa4europe]

32 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said:

Worryingly Tim Vickery has likened him to Terry Butcher but in reverse . He will make big mistakes but also look brilliant at times. Safe to say he is not a big fan. That said he has never been a player in South America and thats what Vickery specialises in . 

Would be interesting to know what measuring stick vickery judged him against 

I'll put my cock on the block and say it won't be is he better than konsa

Vickery is more likely to judge him against Brazils other CBs in a world cup year and that's Marquinhos, militao, thiago silva and Gabriel - I'd love him to be challenging Gabriel but can obviously understand he's behind the others 

Or SA CBs in general, Brazil are OK to be fair to them but I'd hope he'd be considered to be good enough to play for the Argies let alone the rest of them

[Tomaszk]

I look forward to comparing him directly with Aguerd and others all season long.

[Zatman]

Vickery is one of the few journalists I do fully listen to. He makes him sound a bit wobbly, luckily our fans are known for patience with new signings  

Quote

“He’s in his late 20s and there was interest from Newcastle in the last window and Sevilla were in the running for the championship, at that time, so he stayed put,” said Vickery. 

“He’s not a player we saw in Brazil. He is another one who made his career abroad. He came to France before going to Sevilla. He is one of those centre-backs. I think he alternates when he’s classy and imperious, with howlers when he is reckless – he’s really pro-active and may well pick up cards. 

“Carlos was part of the Brazil team that won the Olympic Gold medal. One of the over-aged players, it’s interesting that they haven’t promoted him. He made a few mistakes in that competition as well. 

“They have promoted a number of players. With the senior squad, Gabriel of Arsenal has leapfrogged above him. Brazil have a wonderful crop of centre-backs, but they are saying ‘we don’t think you are quite there’. 

“He is maybe a Terry Butcher in reverse. One of those centre-backs that looks better than he is. Terry Butcher played three World Cups without any mistakes. He was much better than people gave him credit for. – Diego Carlos has those moments where he is the king of the hill, but I worry about the mistakes.”

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/06/20/newcastle-were-interested-tim-vickery-says-aston-villa-signing-terry-butcher-in-reverse/

[Vive_La_Villa]

I have a feeling he will be great but have some crazy moments. Similar to his centre half partner.  Maybe they might sort of balance each other out.

[Zatman]

4 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I have a feeling he will be great but have some crazy moments. Similar to his centre half partner.  Maybe they might sort of balance each other out.

Rats like Maupay would be brave to try leave something nasty on one of our players this season