The_Steve Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, sidcow said: Yeah, it's just a ludicrous intenet rumour which will no doubt become fact. For a start off we wouldn't have an option to buy if this was the case. It was described in the official club press release as an option to buy. If a other club had the same clause all we would have is an option to bid. It's clearly bullshit. Exactly. As others have pointed out. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2022 11 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Perhaps spurs have second refusal after us That would make more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anything11 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Why would spurs have anything to do with it? People are suggesting that we went to those lengths to negotiate a deal just for Barcelona to agree it with someone else. Seriously? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted January 8, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: Something along those lines, and sheer desperation to link him to a scum 6 club, most can’t get their heads around that he’s joined a “peasant” club like Villa This is more like it. Pretend a more palatable club have an option to make everyone feel better about the horror unfolding before them 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The_Steve Posted January 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2022 Excited for this reunion too 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adman Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Just now, The_Steve said: Excited for this reunion too They could seriously work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Any guess which shirt number he’ll take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSvillain Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 52 minutes ago, Anything11 said: Why would spurs have anything to do with it? People are suggesting that we went to those lengths to negotiate a deal just for Barcelona to agree it with someone else. Seriously? Finally some sense! What's supposed to have happened; Daniel Levy just dialled in on zoom "yeah lads if villa don't take him, I'll have second dibs, how does that sound?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfielder Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, ferguson1 said: Any guess which shirt number he’ll take? Looking at his shirt history.... Since Buendia has 10 and Mcginn the 7, if he fancied the 14 it is sort of available as Hourihane is 99% gone. But then, the number 14 for him links back to his Barca phase so he may want a new number... especially as they took the 7 off him to give him the 14 at some point. Would be a tiny bit harsh to strip Wesley of the 9, but not that harsh, he's likely off as soon as we can regain some of his asset value to sell. I would say the 9 is free, but not sure if you are allowed to switch numbers of a registered player during the season though. Layman's guesses here at 9 or 14 if allowed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2022 Until this thread I had absolutely no idea Hourihane was still our player. The mind boggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 22 minutes ago, MSvillain said: Finally some sense! What's supposed to have happened; Daniel Levy just dialled in on zoom "yeah lads if villa don't take him, I'll have second dibs, how does that sound?" The Levy bit doesn't sound right because I would automatically assume that spurs would have to pay at least something for an agreement The agreement itself though... Said earlier I don't think it is 2nd dibs, we have agreed with barca that we can purchase him for an agreed fee of €40m at any time without having to enter negotiations or if he's a huge success the risk of having to pay more, if the rumours are right then so have spurs My understanding would be that we do not have a first bite agreement for him there's no such thing, we have an agreed future fee agreement for him, if we bid €40m for him then barca can not reject it, if 10 other teams bid €40m for him then they can accept all of those too and we would be in a fight to negotiate the best contract with him Its not completely unfathomable... Just really **** weird and I think unprecedented But from a spurs perspective very cute and smart, they pay say £2m to barca for the agreement and if he's a hit for us they can get him for a relatively cut price deal, I could see that happening in the future, teams trying to piggy back buy out and buy back clauses, once that precedent is set though no doubt teams in villas position will try and change the contract wording to prevent it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 8, 2022 Ermmm. I've been to sleep since yesterday......... This did happen didn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, villa4europe said: The Levy bit doesn't sound right because I would automatically assume that spurs would have to pay at least something for an agreement The agreement itself though... Said earlier I don't think it is 2nd dibs, we have agreed with barca that we can purchase him for an agreed fee of €40m at any time without having to enter negotiations or if he's a huge success the risk of having to pay more, if the rumours are right then so have spurs My understanding would be that we do not have a first bite agreement for him there's no such thing, we have an agreed future fee agreement for him, if we bid €40m for him then barca can not reject it, if 10 other teams bid €40m for him then they can accept all of those too and we would be in a fight to negotiate the best contract with him Its not completely unfathomable... Just really **** weird and I think unprecedented But from a spurs perspective very cute and smart, they pay say £2m to barca for the agreement and if he's a hit for us they can get him for a relatively cut price deal, I could see that happening in the future, teams trying to piggy back buy out and buy back clauses, once that precedent is set though no doubt teams in villas position will try and change the contract wording to prevent it Literally one low tier Spanish newspaper said it, repeated by another and a Spurs fan tweet account mentioned it. No credible person has said it, even disputed it on the original tweet (Sky dude), we have seen it no where else. It’s a BS rumour, making very little sense and not mention by anything or anybody even half credible. Added to that we don’t know what or how the buy option works. From just a fee agreed which we can convert but need to agree terms with Coutinho to terms agreed with Barca and Coutinho and only us convert at our option. We have no details apart from a “buy option” which is a little ambiguous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSvillain Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, nick76 said: Literally one low tier Spanish newspaper said it, repeated by another and a Spurs fan tweet account mentioned it. No credible person has said it, even disputed it on the original tweet (Sky dude), we have seen it no where else. It’s a BS rumour, making very little sense and not mention by anything or anybody even half credible. Added to that we don’t know what or how the buy option works. From just a fee agreed which we can convert but need to agree terms with Coutinho to terms agreed with Barca and Coutinho and only us convert at our option. We have no details apart from a “buy option” which is a little ambiguous. Agreed, sounds like bullshit to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loxstock92 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, sidcow said: Ermmm. I've been to sleep since yesterday......... This did happen didn't it? No sorry, it was a dream. Back to sleep you go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 if we can get the version of Coutinho that is even 75% of the below, this is going to be some signing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Do you think we can see an unveiling over the weekend or more likely to be sometime next week? I want to see him do some keepy-uppys pronto! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 The next match can't come soon enough. I can't wait to see him in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Pablo_2531 said: Hello all I previously commented on gerrard. I know I know..I’m an obsessive Lfc fan. However as a season ticket holder I feel in a decent position to comment on these two in particular.. I've been watching developments with villa with interest for obvious reasons and I think this will prove to be a very good signing. I have to admit I haven’t watched lots of coutiniho since he left but I can tell you about the player who was at liverpool. Firstly, by all accounts he is a good lad, not going to upset anyone, speaks English and for us was not injured a lot from memory. His touch is immense as is his awareness, close control and skills in tight positions. His other main strength is his shooting from distance both from dead balls an in open play. I would say the other thing that helps with him is he can press and he does work hard. He isn’t just some number 10 who strolls round the pitch. The general criticism of coutiniho from liverpool fans was that certainly for the first few years he was inconsistent. He could put in a 9/10 performance then 2x6/10 performances and that seemed to be the cycle. However in the last 2 years I think it was or certainly 18 months (an bear in mind he was young) it became near enough every game he was immense an for me he was probably along with hazard the best player in the league at that time. You don’t go for 145m if you are shit an he wasn’t a flash in the pan like a dembele for instance. yeh it worked out for liverpool as we sold him an bought Allison an van dijk who based on our American owners track record we would not have bought without the sale. However at 29 I see no reason why you cannot have 4/5 years of coutiniho. The fact gerrard will build around him will help too an I suspect he will be a success. ps from reading a number of these threads over the last couple of months you aren’t the most optimistic bunch are ya? But on this one I think you might be pleasantly surprised. welcome to VT friendo!, thanks for your opinion, very much appreciated. This is clearly the biggest signing Villa have made in my lifetime, i think the consensus is, if we can get a version of Coutinho that is even 75% of what he is capable of, it will be a huge success. Would you agree? PS: re optimism, my defence for that is in the last 15 years we have gone from competing for the top 4 under MON and were genuinely one of the "big clubs" in England, to having sold all our key player assets, fallen down the league, got relegated, spent 3 years in the Championship, had a corrupt club owner (thats not a joke, he is/was actually a wanted man internationally), nearly had to sell our main asset (Grealish) for a packet of crisps to Spurs a few years back, then had him taken from us by Manchester Money, only stayed up by a point 2 years ago.......although we did have a decent season last season and now things do look on the up with our new owners, Purslow and Gerrard..........my point is, please forgive the pessimism......but i kinda think after the last 10+ years you are lucky we arent committing mass seppuku! Hopefully the good times are coming again soon ay! Edited January 8, 2022 by MaVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Do you think we can see an unveiling over the weekend or more likely to be sometime next week? I want to see him do some keepy-uppys pronto! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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