BleedClaretAndBlue Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Always seem to see Neymar losing and then crying whenever he’s involved in a big game Pleased for Emi, the guy is a winner and his mentality is top. Messi finally wins the Copa, but have to say his diving was just as bad as everyone elses on that pitch. Boring game all in all. Hope tonights is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HongKongVillan Posted July 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11, 2021 Well deserved Emi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 £20m buys you a £100m + keeper it seems. Thanks Kroenke. We should have statue of Stan Kroenke outside the Holte. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 5 hours ago, Sulberto21 said: Emi Martinez is incredible. He becomes Argentina number 1 and they win a trophy. I think Romero is a cracking centre back. Quicker than a lot of wingers n strikers. Spent last season out on loan didn't he? Juve have the 2 oldsters at the back so doubt they'd give him up but if he's out on loan again and we can wrangle a loan to buy... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted July 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11, 2021 I'd actually love us to try and get Rodrigo De Paul if we were to get anyone else from Argentina. Wouldn't have much resale value at 27 but is a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouUnastanFren Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Rds1983 said: I'd actually love us to try and get Rodrigo De Paul if we were to get anyone else from Argentina. Wouldn't have much resale value at 27 but is a great player. He's just signed for Atleti a few weeks ago. Think he had an agreement they'd let him go for CL football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted July 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11, 2021 53 minutes ago, YouUnastanFren said: He's just signed for Atleti a few weeks ago. Think he had an agreement they'd let him go for CL football I knew there were rumours but hadn't seen they'd completed the transfer. I guess Atleti is better then Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 8 hours ago, villalad21 said: Messi has done it now. International trophy. There is no argument against him anymore. The greatest of all time. Not in any way comparable to a WC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Xela said: Not in any way comparable to a WC. Which neither him nor Ronaldo have won. It makes him the best of the generation - imo he already was but Ronaldo had the international trophy. The comparisons to Maradona will be interesting 10-15 years after he's retired when they're both being looked back on nostalgically rather than just Maradona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 They'll still be someone who brings up him not leaving barca, that club that gave him the opportunity of a life time, became his home, he won the lot with whilst being a contender for best team in history, with his mates from the youth team and they paid him ludacous amounts of money... To join a team that he has no connection to No doubt the same people have a differing opinion in the jack grealish thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: Which neither him nor Ronaldo have won. It makes him the best of the generation - imo he already was but Ronaldo had the international trophy. The comparisons to Maradona will be interesting 10-15 years after he's retired when they're both being looked back on nostalgically rather than just Maradona. Agreed, but the WC argument has never been about Ronaldo. Its always been about the Maradona vs Messi comparison Like you say, interesting to see how history remembers him once the nostalgia kicks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Messi will never be as big in Argentina as Maradona was no matter if he wins them the world cup. Maradona was god and he carried them to the WC triumph just years after the Falkland war. Even with Argentina in dire situation and needing something to rally behind with Covid and everything else going on a WC win now will never be the same as what Maradona did. Fwiw I hate comparing players from different eras as the world, football and everything else has changed so much and is ever changing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Xela said: Agreed, but the WC argument has never been about Ronaldo. Its always been about the Maradona vs Messi comparison Like you say, interesting to see how history remembers him once the nostalgia kicks in. How many European Cups did Maradona win? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 It’s pointless basing a players ability on whether their team won something. They are then a hostage to fortune. George Best was a pretty good player but no one judges him because Northern Ireland didn’t win the World Cup, that would be a stupid thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 8 hours ago, villa4europe said: Spent last season out on loan didn't he? Juve have the 2 oldsters at the back so doubt they'd give him up but if he's out on loan again and we can wrangle a loan to buy... Atalanta have option to buy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, sharkyvilla said: How many European Cups did Maradona win? Different era when the uefa cup (which he won) was usually harder to win the the European cup. It wasnt the top 4 CL that we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Xela said: Not in any way comparable to a WC. Copa America is so frequent as well. Has been 7 tournaments since Messi was a professional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, sharkyvilla said: How many European Cups did Maradona win? I'm not sure what your point is? The argument has always been about the WC. I didn't start that argument/comparison, it something that has rumbled on for years by plenty of people. Its seen as the one thing that you could measure both players against. On a club level, Messi's achievements are far better, albeit, in a far stronger team. Like others have said, very difficult to compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Xela said: I'm not sure what your point is? The argument has always been about the WC. I didn't start that argument/comparison, it something that has rumbled on for years by plenty of people. Its seen as the one thing that you could measure both players against. On a club level, Messi's achievements are far better, albeit, in a far stronger team. Like others have said, very difficult to compare. Sorry yeah my point was it's always Messi has to measure up to the one or two achievements Maradona got but never the other way round where he outstrips pretty much everyone else who ever lived. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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