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1 minute ago, WHY said:

Biggest issue is still midfield, there are still massive holes in the middle. We need to play a tight 3 instead of Ramsey and McGinn playing so wide. Too many times we are left outnumbered in the middle. Doesn’t matter who your DM is he can’t pick up 3 players. 

It’s been a problem ever since we started playing this formation. It won’t change until we go back to a system where not everything goes through our fullbacks. 

Unfortunately, when they push so high, our midfield need to cover and we become exposed. 

Sometimes it works, but more often than not it hinders us. 

Gerrard has got a real problem on his hands if he thinks he can go through this season playing the way we are. He won’t be in a job after Xmas unless he can spot the obvious. 

We badly need another defensive minded midfielder and to switch formation. 

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We need to stop the 2 striker experiment - neither look good together despite multiple attempts of giving them playing time together.

Id look at playing Luiz alongside Kamara with McGinn and Ramsey ahead of them and Buendia/Coutinho off a lone striker.

The experiment has failed and leaves our midfield exposed far too often.

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43 minutes ago, messi11 said:

----------Watkins------
Coutinho-Buendia-Bailey
-----------Luiz--Kamara---



Its not hard gerrard

Coutinho Buendia Bailey

Ramsey Kamara Luiz

 

strikers are overrated 

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McGinn has to be dropped completely, Luiz and Sanson did more in pre season than him

Coutinho also should be dropped but as he was a marquee signing its not happening. If Coutinho has to play maybe use him as a false 9 with Bailey sprinting in behind him

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  • Please stop trying to make Watkins & Ings happen, it's not going to happen
  • While both fine players on their own I don't feel McGinn & Ramsey complements each other all that well as a midfield duo.
  • Buendia currently offers more than Coutinho IMO. Love to have them both on the pitch, if that's not possible then go with Buendia
  • The system puts a ridiculous amount of strain on whoever is playing the deep DCM role. Be it Kamara or Luiz or Nakamba. I don't like it tbf.
  • Having no width apart from the full backs and still losing the central midfield in not great.
  • Luiz offers ball retention in a way no other of our CM's does, we kinda need it. Him and Kamara should start IMO.
  • The pace of Bailey makes us so much harder to defend against. If free from his injury issues he probably should start most times.

What does it all mean? Not sure. Think a 4-2-3-1 with Kamara and Luiz in midfield behind Buendia, Coutinho, Bailey would be interesting but that leaves Ramsey on the bench... Bailey as striker? Not sure.

Don't think we will move away from a back 4 but 3-4-2-1 might be worth looking at.

This pre season and the second half of last season has mainly showed us what isn't working rather than what is. Hopefully we've learned our lessons from this.

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Just now, ferguson1 said:

 

Martinez

Cash     Carlos       Mings      Digne

Kamara

Luiz                 Ramsey

Buendia     Bailey     Coutinho 

Problem is, I feel playing Leon up top will negate his best qualities.

Yes he looks stronger and fitter, but battling with a PL defender for 90 is a different ball game.

At most you could play him as an SS slightly deeor behind the striker, as he can shoot.

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2 minutes ago, sne said:
  • Please stop trying to make Watkins & Ings happen, it's not going to happen
  • While both fine players on their own I don't feel McGinn & Ramsey complements each other all that well as a midfield duo.
  • Buendia currently offers more than Coutinho IMO. Love to have them both on the pitch, if that's not possible then go with Buendia
  • The system puts a ridiculous amount of strain on whoever is playing the deep DCM role. Be it Kamara or Luiz or Nakamba. I don't like it tbf.
  • Having no width apart from the full backs and still losing the central midfield in not great.
  • Luiz offers ball retention in a way no other of our CM's does, we kinda need it. Him and Kamara should start IMO.
  • The pace of Bailey makes us so much harder to defend against. If free from his injury issues he probably should start most times.

What does it all mean? Not sure. Think a 4-2-3-1 with Kamara and Luiz in midfield behind Buendia, Coutinho, Bailey would be interesting but that leaves Ramsey on the bench... Bailey as striker? Not sure.

Don't think we will move away from a back 4 but 3-4-2-1 might be worth looking at.

This pre season and the second half of last season has mainly showed us what isn't working rather than what is. Hopefully we've learned our lessons from this.

Our best period last season was when they were up top together. Stop trying to draw conclusions based on 45 mins of a pre season game on a terrible pitch. 

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Just now, CVByrne said:

Our best period last season was when they were up top together. Stop trying to draw conclusions based on 45 mins of a pre season game on a terrible pitch. 

It was hardly a successful season to make statements like that. 

There were times it looked good. But it's clearly not the way to break into that top half. 

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Just now, CVByrne said:

Our best period last season was when they were up top together. Stop trying to draw conclusions based on 45 mins of a pre season game on a terrible pitch. 

Disagree and that's not what I'm basing it on.

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Just now, DCJonah said:

It was hardly a successful season to make statements like that. 

There were times it looked good. But it's clearly not the way to break into that top half. 

It is an accurate statement, whatever you think of our season overall. When Gerrard switched to Watkins and Ings we had our best period and both players had high G+A numbers.

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                Emi
Cash - DC - Mings - Digne
        Kamara - Luiz
Bailey - Buendia - Coutinho
             Striker

 

                Emi 
Cash - DC - Mings - Digne
Luiz - Kamara - McGinn/Ramsey
 Bailey - Striker - Buendia

 

It has to be something like these for me. Gerrard has to at least give it a try, just no more Ings and Watkins 2 up top. That has to stop from this point forwards. 

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Just now, CVByrne said:

It is an accurate statement, whatever you think of our season overall. When Gerrard switched to Watkins and Ings we had our best period and both players had high G+A numbers.

So you want them to play together most of next season?

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On pre season so far I'd probably go

                              Ollie

       Buendia                              Bailey

                           Ramsey

 

                  Kamara             Luiz

 

Digne        Carlos               Konsa         Cash

 

KKH has given me some serious food for thought as well!

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Just now, Farlz said:

                Emi
Cash - DC - Mings - Digne
        Kamara - Luiz
Bailey - Buendia - Coutinho
             Striker

 

               

That’s our best team imo. 

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