sheepyvillian Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 9 hours ago, TRO said: you are right...........but, what an indictment. The last real defensive midfielder we had was probably Nigel Reo Coker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 hours ago, peterw said: Oh i agree in the main but I don't really think that covers it all. They did play better but you can at least try and negate that by setting up differently. if we had another body in the middle or someone else up top to hold the ball up and turn Arsenal's midfield around then it would have made a huge difference. As it was the ball kept coming back and we were not able to keep it tight before trying to impose our game. At the very highest level all it takes is one opportunity and we could have gone 1 up and then it's a different (obviously) ball game and Arsenal also have to re-think. Clearly better players and better teams usually win. But Arsenal were given an extra hand by us playing to their strenmgths and not ours. I don't disagree in principle.....but when you say another body, that means you lose one from some where else.....and teams will exploit that. players have to individually play well, to create the collective performance, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: The last real defensive midfielder we had was probably Nigel Reo Coker. and he had his detractors. I think we have played without them for so long, its a) got in to our DNA ....b) as a fan base we don't appreciate what they do ( that is relating to a section only) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 hours ago, VillaParkAvenue said: If they collectively played better, then that’s tactics isn’t it? partly, but not entirely. It could be balance it could be desire It could be gameplan ( but it has to be executed) It could be workrate. Tactics is only a part of the essence of playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: The last real defensive midfielder we had was probably Nigel Reo Coker. Well if ever I heard an argument not to go all out and buy an out and out DM, this is it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, TRO said: and he had his detractors. I think we have played without them for so long, its a) got in to our DNA ....b) as a fan base we don't appreciate what they do ( that is relating to a section only) because he was shit as his career showed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 We've had loads of defensive midfielders since NRC to be fair, whatever about the relative quality of them but we've had them alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Indigo said: We've had loads of defensive midfielders since NRC to be fair, whatever about the relative quality of them but we've had them alright. Yep, Makoun, Whelan, Jedinak, Sylla, Nakamba to name a few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Zatman said: Yep, Makoun, Whelan, Jedinak, Sylla, Nakamba to name a few Carlos Sanchez as well, probably a couple of others in there that could be argued too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Indigo said: Carlos Sanchez as well, probably a couple of others in there that could be argued too. ah yes I miss The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: ah yes I miss The Rock Reduced prime Messi to rubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: The last real defensive midfielder we had was probably Nigel Reo Coker. That says it all ffs. Both in terms of the quality of the player, and length of time. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Yep, Makoun, Whelan, Jedinak, Sylla, Nakamba to name a few I reckon Makoun was yet another French player which was actually decent, but wasted here. Anyway, the lists of " Defensive Midfielders " we've had, is pretty grim. Although I still love Jedinak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Jedinak and Whelan were immense. We missed both of them when they left They are not midtable premier league quality, but for where we were when they left, they were missed. And the last defensive midfielder we had was not NRC. The last striker Nottingham Forest had wasn't Pierre van Hooijdonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Idrissa Gana Gueye probably the best one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I reckon Makoun was yet another French player Cameroon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: Cameroon Oh ffs. Please tell me I haven't made that primal mistake. I could have deleted it eventually and pretended it never happened if you never quoted it ffs. lol What I meant was " French Speaking " player. Edited March 23, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Oh ffs. Please tell me I haven't made that primal mistake. I could have deleted it eventually and pretended it never happened if you never quoted it ffs. lol What I meant was " French Speaking " player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, sparrow1988 said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 hours ago, sheepyvillian said: The last real defensive midfielder we had was probably Nigel Reo Coker. Jean Makoun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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