Popular Post Stevo985 Posted June 12, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2022 On 09/06/2022 at 10:22, It's Your Round said: That’s shocking, I know attitudes were different back then but the other 49 clubs managed to not have a racist stereotype as their mascot. But not small heath, no, they always have to be the lowest level scum. Unfortunately, our house is very much made of glass on this occasion... 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Whats the penalty if guilty anyone know? The best punishment would to force them to have the exact same ownership situation for the next 100 years. Change nothing. Purgatory for the boyz from the city. Mate. Edited June 12, 2022 by Don_Simon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 I think a club not declaring who owns them is unprecedented, so hard to say, but seems pretty serious to me, there's obviously a very good reason why they have the Proper and Fit Persons tests in the first place, so if someone has skipped that process it's not going to be taken lightly especially as it seems he wouldn't have passed that test if he had have taken it. Above article says if they're found guilty there could be a range of punishments from 'a warning for a clerical oversight to more significant punishments including a fine or points deduction for deliberate obfuscation', pretty sure it's more serious than a 'clerical oversight'. I think the more worrying thing for them is what happens with the takeover, if that doesn't happen then the consequences of that will probably be far worse than whatever punishment the EFL give them. I've seen it suggested that they're heading into a similar situation we were with Xia in his final days, obviously their fans are hoping for a similar outcome, but as we've seen with some of the people trying to buy clubs recently including theirs, a sale might not mean the end of their troubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottaloo Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Bust em down to the bottom division like was done with rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 hours ago, useless said: I think a club not declaring who owns them is unprecedented, so hard to say, but seems pretty serious to me, there's obviously a very good reason why they have the Proper and Fit Persons tests in the first place, so if someone has skipped that process it's not going to be taken lightly especially as it seems he wouldn't have passed that test if he had have taken it. Above article says if they're found guilty there could be a range of punishments from 'a warning for a clerical oversight to more significant punishments including a fine or points deduction for deliberate obfuscation', pretty sure it's more serious than a 'clerical oversight'. I think the more worrying thing for them is what happens with the takeover, if that doesn't happen then the consequences of that will probably be far worse than whatever punishment the EFL give them. I've seen it suggested that they're heading into a similar situation we were with Xia in his final days, obviously their fans are hoping for a similar outcome, but as we've seen with some of the people trying to buy clubs recently including theirs, a sale might not mean the end of their troubles. They won't attract a buyer in remotely the same ball park as ours. Stadium needs rebuilding, and they don't even own it. Their squad is full of lower championship players. Their following is significantly smaller than ours, albeit with similar potential if they were to get the football right. They're in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 I'm sure the corrupt bloser on the efl board will ensure any punishment is kept to a minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 50 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said: I'm sure the corrupt bloser on the efl board will ensure any punishment is kept to a minimum Who is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Who is this? Jesper Carrott 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 They have or did have a fan on the EFL board but that doesn't make any difference to them when it comes to punishments as that's decided by an independent panel, The Independent Disciplinary Commission. EFL have pushed for them to be deducted points on several occasions, first time they were succesful, second time they weren't, and that second time the EFL actually appealed the verdict, and I think they were given a suspened deduction, so it's not as if the EFL shows any leniency towards them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottaloo Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 HRH has also been barred from drinking in town: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted June 13, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, useless said: They have or did have a fan on the EFL board but that doesn't make any difference to them when it comes to punishments as that's decided by an independent panel, The Independent Disciplinary Commission. EFL have pushed for them to be deducted points on several occasions, first time they were succesful, second time they weren't, and that second time the EFL actually appealed the verdict, and I think they were given a suspened deduction, so it's not as if the EFL shows any leniency towards them. They were given a deduction at the end of the season of exactly 1 point less than would have relegated them, didn't they? Sounds like leniency to me. Edited June 13, 2022 by fightoffyour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 They were deducted nine points on March 22nd 2019, at the time they were on fifty points, fourteen points clear of relegation, after the deduction they were five points clear of the bottom three with eight games left to play, so the deduction actually put them in danger of relegation whereas as beforehand they looked relatively safe. If any leniency is showed towards them it's not because there's a fan of theirs on the EFL board, as that board doesn't decide the punishments, the EFL have actually pushed for them to get worse punishements than they've actually got. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unused Sub Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 On 08/06/2022 at 23:40, MrBlack said: Anyone able to explain why that was how they were depicted? Shocking. The text explaining they were nicknamed the heathens before changing their nickname to the blues. Something apt about that. He was generally referred to as ‘Mr Brum’ or ‘The Birmingham ******’ It was a general reference to the Second City, used in cartoon form both football illustrations and wider geography terms in early 20th century newspapers. Remember that photos in newspapers weren’t a regular thing until the mid to late 1920s. Illustrations was common place before this (and continue to this day). In the local football newspapers (the Argus or Sporting Mail) you would have little cartoons sections explaining last week’s results or that days fixtures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 21 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Unfortunately, our house is very much made of glass on this occasion... More Shockingly it seems that's from the 50s. Long after the blues version. Looks like there's very little information about it online, and most people that went in that era have very little recollection of seeing him.. maybe selectively so. Anyone got any history on how it came about? Somewhat disappointing to say the least (yes, I'm aware socially accepted attitudes were dflifferent back then). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 33 minutes ago, MrBlack said: More Shockingly it seems that's from the 50s. . late 40's-early 50's I read, then disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again. Talking of loons, anyone remember the Villa werewolf, with carrier bag of joke shop crap? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonIsAPlaceOnEarth Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Being bought by Bassini. This is going to be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 From the football money guy himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Villaphan04 said: From the football money guy himself If that took place before the EFL ruled on the disguised ownership, could they still get a points deduction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, MrBlack said: If that took place before the EFL ruled on the disguised ownership, could they still get a points deduction? haha this guy sounds absolutely perfect https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-laurence-bassini-is-definitely-not-the-owner-that-birmingham-city-need-lee-bowyer Since 2019, Bassini has been on the lookout for a new project. In April of that year, it was confirmed that he had reached agreement to buy the financially stricken Bolton Wanderers from Ken Anderson, but that deal collapsed after he repeatededly failed to show proof of funds to the EFL. Four months later, with Bolton in administration and the players not having been paid in full for several months, the club’s administrators were on the point of completing a sale to Football Ventures Ltd., only for Bassini to get a court order at the last minute, blocking the sale. The sale eventually went through a month later, with Bolton on the brink of liquidation. Sounds a top bloke! Already looks like a knuckledragger as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, MrBlack said: More Shockingly it seems that's from the 50s. Long after the blues version. Looks like there's very little information about it online, and most people that went in that era have very little recollection of seeing him.. maybe selectively so. Anyone got any history on how it came about? Somewhat disappointing to say the least (yes, I'm aware socially accepted attitudes were dflifferent back then). I don't have any more info on this mascot, but the bolded bit is a bit of an understatement - the BBC were still producing the Black and White Minstrel show until the end of the 70s, and it was getting 10+ million viewers Blackie and the blues caricature are an embarrassment, and obscene in a modern context, but seem to be a fair reflection of what this country was like back then, and as a country we hadn't got much better for decades after both clubs moved on Edited June 13, 2022 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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