CVByrne Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) To show how obvious it is that the big clubs want more and more for themselves look at how the Champions LEague money is distributed How Champions League Clubs Make Their Money | Daniel Geey - The Final Score on Football Law Quote he brilliant Swiss Ramble has published an excellent, detailed analysis of the UEFA Champions League distribution model. We would strongly recommend reading the twitter thread in full, which you can find here. As we have done with previous Swiss Ramble threads, we thought it would be helpful to set out some of the key highlights from the analysis, along with some comments of our own. 30% are spread through co-efficient rankings. Meaning the richest clubs have highest rankings and can maintain the rankings by taking more revenue than others. After the Super League attempt UEFA and the Premier League needs to reverse this money grabbing exercise. The sole goal is to entrench these teams at the top forever. Edited August 18, 2021 by blandy article extract added 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, CVByrne said: To show how obvious it is that the big clubs want more and more for themselves look at how the Champions LEague money is distributed How Champions League Clubs Make Their Money | Daniel Geey - The Final Score on Football Law 30% are spread through co-efficient rankings. Meaning the richest clubs have highest rankings and can maintain the rankings by taking more revenue than others. After the Super League attempt UEFA and the Premier League needs to reverse this money grabbing exercise. The sole goal is to entrench these teams at the top forever. Thanks for that. I didn't realise that CL money is already completely skewed towards the big teams, and newcomers get much much lower amounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Only 30% of the money goes to Performance in it. 30% is just a handout to the biggest clubs. Then further 15% handouts from TV revenue based on the big leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Only 30% of the money goes to Performance in it. 30% is just a handout to the biggest clubs. Then further 15% handouts from TV revenue based on the big leagues. which basically means we have to be in Europe continuously for 5-10 years to start getting the bigger payouts. A deep run in the Europa league or even the Euro Conference league would build up a good co-efficient fast. Edited August 18, 2021 by ender4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, CVByrne said: After the Super League attempt UEFA and the Premier League needs to reverse this money grabbing exercise. The sole goal is to entrench these teams at the top forever. But UEFA won't reverse this trend without regulatory pressure. It was UEFA who agreed to the coefficient based payments. More so, they even implemented now coefficient based qualification to CL, coming into effect as of 22/23 season. So for example, if Liverpool were to finish 6th in the league, they would still get into CL based on coefficientt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Just now, ender4 said: which basically means we have to be in Europe continuously for 5-10 years to start getting the bigger payouts. Exactly. UEFA already conceded to give the bigger teams more money and expand the Champions League just as the Super League breakaway was happening. As much as it's great to have owners like NSWE we will never be able to compete for Premier League or compete in the Champions League in a regular way given how the big teams have already won the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: But UEFA won't reverse this trend without regulatory pressure. It was UEFA who agreed to the coefficient based payments. More so, they even implemented now coefficient based qualification to CL, coming into effect as of 22/23 season. So for example, if Liverpool were to finish 6th in the league, they would still get into CL based on coefficientt. Exactly, so we need to accept the big teams own football success now. A domestic cup, 2nd or 3rd tier European trophy or a one off Champions League qualification is the only success we will ever see as Villa fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I wonder if owning a multitude of clubs around the world like City Group does makes circumventing FFP easier. Is it a bit like big multinational companies (e.g Amazon & Google) , where they can offset their losses in different jurustictions to avoid paying large tax bills in certain countries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 3 hours ago, CVByrne said: To show how obvious it is that the big clubs want more and more for themselves look at how the Champions LEague money is distributed How Champions League Clubs Make Their Money | Daniel Geey - The Final Score on Football Law 30% are spread through co-efficient rankings. Meaning the richest clubs have highest rankings and can maintain the rankings by taking more revenue than others. After the Super League attempt UEFA and the Premier League needs to reverse this money grabbing exercise. The sole goal is to entrench these teams at the top forever. Yeah, the ‘FP’ part of FFP is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted August 18, 2021 Moderator Share Posted August 18, 2021 The extra money for the big clubs in the Champions League isn't just them bullying UEFA, it's good for TV to have a regular cast of stars in their show, saves them having to keep introducing new characters, that keeps the TV product valuable, which keeps UEFA's trough full, which makes them happy - they're all in it together. Finding a way to make football value anything over and above its value to TV is a massive challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 18 hours ago, sharkyvilla said: I'm a bit surprised NSWE haven't already used one of their firms to sponsor us at over-inflated rate. The rules around related party sponsorship deals have been tightened over last few years, in reaction to what Man City and PSG were doing. Every sponsorship deal like that is scrutinised for market value and any excess is excluded from FFP and P&S calculations. It would be waste of money for NSWE. They might as well let others pay the market value sponsorship and top up with equity injections, as they have been doing for last 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Tayls said: I’m not sure… City haven’t paid us the full 100m straight out, and we have spent the best part of, what, 95m already… plus wages that have to be in line as we are only on our third successive season in the prem.. We won’t have paid up front for those players, very few transfers work like that. Also if we have it's really not a problem, our owners are more than happy to fund us, the only real obstacle to spending is FFP. As things currently stand in this window our out goings are probably slightly short of our in coming money on the books. I’d say on the wages front we’re still either in line with or behind the teams in the top half of the PL. Way behind in many cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 On 18/08/2021 at 08:56, a m ole said: Yeah, the ‘FP’ part of FFP is a joke. All of ffp is a joke. Its needs to be thrown back in the bin where it belongs. A failed scheme invented by paper pushers with no understanding of football or business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: All of ffp is a joke. Its needs to be thrown back in the bin where it belongs. A failed scheme invented by paper pushers with no understanding of football or business. That's not going to happen when the teams that benefit form it, wrote it, and control it's implementation to suit their needs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 22 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: A failed scheme invented by paper pushers with no understanding of football or business Wasn't Purslow on the committee that 'invented' the FFP scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 so, anyone who can work the magic and give us a finance/transfer funds/wages etc etc FFP update, now the window is closed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, MaVilla said: so, anyone who can work the magic and give us a finance/transfer funds/wages etc etc FFP update, now the window is closed? I will crunch the numbers, been busy with work recently but hope to get round doing in this weekend 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 I still cant get my head around how any club can spend 100m and then even think about buying another player worth more than 100m and not even get reconised by FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: I still cant get my head around how any club can spend 100m and then even think about buying another player worth more than 100m and not even get reconised by FFP. Amortisation. Plus they would have received plenty of prize money for winning the league and getting to the CL final. They sold a bunch of kids/fringe players too. They cheated the system for years but they could have legally done those deals this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: I still cant get my head around how any club can spend 100m and then even think about buying another player worth more than 100m and not even get reconised by FFP. as Peppy Pepper said, they sold 35m worth of fringe talent, so on balance they only spent 65m this window.... In reality, its clear we have cottoned on to this and are working towards this type of cash flow, yes some of our youth players may get in to the first team, or even move on for big money at some point, but if we can bring through a plethora of young talent and sell the ones that dont make it, even making 10-20m a season from fringe sales, would be a huge help to the balance sheet and FFP, and by extension, the money we have to invest in the first team squad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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